Discussion:
Interpreters at a Benny Hinn crusade?
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Sensei Shaolin
2004-10-07 19:07:30 UTC
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I was watching "This is your Day" with Benny Hinn a few days ago. He
was in a foreign country (Africa, I think...based on the large amount
of people that looked African) with a large crowd in front of his
stage.

There were thousands upon thousands of people that attended this
event. Mr. Hinn had an interpreter with him on stage to interpret
what Benny was saying from English to the language of the people that
were present (I didn't recognize the language) As I was watching this
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.

Please consider the following comparison between tongues in the first
century church compared to tongues spoken today:

First century - Spoke a known language (Acts 2:8)
Today - Today don't even claim to use known languages.

First century - Were understood. (Acts 2:6; 1 Cor 14:19)
Today - Don't claim to understand today.

First century - Were edified. (1 Cor. 14:26)
Today - No such claim today.

First century - Confirmed the word.
(Acts 10:46; Hebrew 2:3-4)
Today - Today, they don't even accept confirmed
word today. Add to and deny it.

First century - Spoke by turn (1 Cor. 14:27)
Today - All speak together today in mass confusion

First century - No interpreter? - Silence
(1 Cor 14:28)
Today - Don't want to be interpreted today

First century - Sign to unbelievers (1 Cor. 14-22)
Today - Used today for excitement

First century - For used of edifying (1 Cor 14:26)
Today - Show, entertain, and confuse

First century - Spirit subject to speaker.
(1 Cor. 14:26-31)
Today - Today, "Don't stop me, I'm getting a revelation!"

First century - Spoke to profit the church (1 Cor 14:6)
Today - No profit today.

First century - Prayed for interpretation
(1 Cor. 14:13)
Today - pray for tongue speaking

First century - Spoke to instruct (1 Cor. 14:13)
Today - Revel in confusion, no instruction.

First century - Believed Gospel. (Mark 16:16)
Today - Deny gospel because getting a new revelation!

First century - Spoke to benefit hearers. (1 Cor. 14:9)
Today - Not so today. Benefit in glory of speaker.

First century - Interpret so unlearned understand.
(1 Cor. 14:16)
Today - Interpretation not done today.

First century - No accusation of madness
(1 Cor. 14:23)
Today - Today, confusion is rampant.

First century - No confusion allowed (1 Cor. 14:33)
Today - All in confusion.

First century - Women kept silence (1 Cor. 14:34)
Today - All speak today. In regulating usage of gifts,
women had not abilities.

First century - Holy Spirit baptism audible. No mistake
in knowing HS campe upon them. (Acts 2:2)
Today - None will say so today.

First century - Holy Spirit baptism visible. Not mistaken
in seeing. (Acts 2:3)
Today - None will say so today.

First century - Holy Spirit baptism heard. No mistake
in hearing. (Acts 2:4)
Today - Not so today.

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Conclusion: Tongues were most definitely known languages that other
people could understand. The blasphemy that Benny Hinn and the
other Word of Faith heretics speak is uninterpreted and deceitful.
They are after your money and no country is too poor to donate to
their lavish lifestyles. Do not be deceived. The leaders of the Word
of Faith movement are so rich they would make most actors and
actresses in Hollywood envious.
Griz
2004-10-07 22:10:16 UTC
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Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?

Remember that no person is a path to or an icon of God; other than Christ
Jesus. Followers of Christ aspire to be perfect even as the Father is
perfect, but for now we are still tied to flesh who's nature is to be
imperfect -- and to look to others for comparison or corroboration of
ourselves. Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on. It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either. But
if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.

Rather than looking for and accentuating the flaws in others -- a rather
undemanding process indicating our eyes are more on people -- we should have
our eyes upon Christ.

Phi 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God
in Christ Jesus.

Yours in Christ,

Griz
Abby
2004-10-07 22:44:20 UTC
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Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?
Remember that no person is a path to or an icon of God; other than Christ
Jesus. Followers of Christ aspire to be perfect even as the Father is
perfect, but for now we are still tied to flesh who's nature is to be
imperfect -- and to look to others for comparison or corroboration of
ourselves. Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on. It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either.
But
if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.
Rather than looking for and accentuating the flaws in others -- a rather
undemanding process indicating our eyes are more on people -- we should have
our eyes upon Christ.
Phi 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God
in Christ Jesus.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
A perfect answer Griz. (Hope your birthday was nice)

Abby
Griz
2004-10-07 23:10:15 UTC
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A perfect answer Griz. (Hope your birthday was nice)
Abby
Well, only as the answer is in Christ!
As soon as we try to step outside of God's word, the imperfections of the
flesh always work their way back in.

My birthday present was a day of rest, and a blacklog of days off! At this
time of year that is as good as gold! I think I'm going to take a couple of
those days off and go visit my dad up north.

Yours in Christ,

Griz
Abby
2004-10-08 00:54:28 UTC
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Post by Abby
A perfect answer Griz. (Hope your birthday was nice)
Abby
Well, only as the answer is in Christ!
As soon as we try to step outside of God's word, the imperfections of the
flesh always work their way back in.
My birthday present was a day of rest, and a blacklog of days off! At this
time of year that is as good as gold! I think I'm going to take a couple of
those days off and go visit my dad up north.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
Up North?? How much further can you get up there??

We just left the lake house and are back in regular Ohio for the winter.
Lake Erie is still beautiful even when its cold. But the lakes in
Canada......stunning!

Abby
Griz
2004-10-09 00:51:40 UTC
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Up North?? How much further can you get up there??
Not far. Only about 7 hours farther north!
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We just left the lake house and are back in regular Ohio for the winter.
Lake Erie is still beautiful even when its cold. But the lakes in
Canada......stunning!
Abby
Ontario is quite gifted with fresh water. I remember feeling quite out of
place the first time I was in the BC interior as the nearest body of water
was several hours drive away. In central Ontario we just throw a stone and
listen for the splash!

Griz
bob young
2004-10-08 04:14:50 UTC
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Post by Abby
A perfect answer Griz. (Hope your birthday was nice)
Abby
Well, only as the answer is in Christ!
As soon as we try to step outside of God's word, the imperfections of the
flesh always work their way back in.
My birthday present was a day of rest, and a blacklog of days off! At this
time of year that is as good as gold! I think I'm going to take a couple of
those days off and go visit my dad up north.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
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Ascanius Roman
Asclepius Greek
AsgardNorse
Asgaya Gigagei Cherokee
Asherali [goddess] Canaan
Ashiakle [goddess] Ghana/Africa
Ashnan [goddess] Sumeria
Ashtoreth Phoenician
Ashtoreth [goddess] Egypt
Ashur Assyria
Ashvins Hindu
Askr and Embla Norse
Astarte [goddess] Phoenicia
Asteria [goddess] Greek
Asteria [goddess] Greek Amazon
Astraea [goddess] Greek
Astraeos Greek
Astrea [goddess] Roman
Asuras Asian
Asuras Asian
Atalanta [goddess] Greek
Atanea [goddess] South Pacific
Atar [goddess] Iran
Ate [goddess] Greek
At-Em [goddess] Egypt
Aten Aton Egypt
Athena [goddess] Greek
Athirat [goddess] Canaan
Athor [goddess] Egypt
Athtart [goddess] Canaan
Atl Aztec
Atlacamani [goddess] Aztec/Mexico
Atlacoya [goddess] Aztec/Mexico
Atlas Greek
Atlatonin [goddess] Aztec/Mexico
Atreus Greek
Atropos [goddess] Greek
Attis Roman
Atum Egypt
Auchimalgen [goddess] Chile
Au-Co Vietnamese
Audjal [goddess] Caroline Islands
Auilix Maya
Aura [goddess] Greek
Aurita [goddess] Roman
Aurora [goddess] Roman
Ausaitis Lithuania
Austeja Lithuania
Autolycus Greek
Autonoe [goddess] Greek
Auxesia [goddess] Greek
Averna [goddess] Roman
Avernales [goddess] Roman
Averruncus [goddess] Roman
Aversa [goddess] Roman
Awonawilona [goddess] Pueblo/Zuni
Aya [goddess] Mesopotamia
Ayaba [goddess] Dahomey/Africa
Ayauhteotl [goddess] Aztec/Mexico
Ayida [goddess] Haiti
Ayizan [goddess] Haiti
Ayt'ar Russia
Azacca Haiti
Aziri [goddess] Africa
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Ba[goddess] China
Baal Bel Phoenicia
Ba'Alat[goddess] Phoenicia
Baatsi Africa
Baau[goddess] Phoenicia
Babamik[goddess] Oceania
Baba Yaga[goddess] Slavonic
Bacchantes[goddess] Greek
Bacchus Roman
Bachue[goddess] Chibcha
Backlum Chaam Maya
Badb[goddess] Irish
Bakha Egypt
Balder Norse
Balios Greek
Balor[goddess] Irish
Banba[goddess] Irish
Banka-Mundi[goddess] India
Banshee Gaelic
Barghest England
Baron Samedi[goddess] Haiti
Bast or Bastet[goddess] Egypt
Bathkol[goddess] Israel
Baubo[goddess] Greek
Baucis Roman
Bayanni[goddess] Africa
Bebhionn[goddess] Irish
Beelsamin Phoenicia
Befana[goddess] Italy
Begoe[goddess] Roman
Beiwe[goddess] Lappland
Belatucadros Celtic
Bele Alua[goddess] Africa
Belenus Celtic
Beli Mawr Celtic
Belisama[goddess] Celtic
Belit-Seri[goddess] Babylonia
Bellerophon Greek
Bellona[goddess] Roman
Belobog Slavic
Bendis[goddess] Thracian
Benten[goddess] Japan
Benzai-Ten Japan
Beowulf Germanic
Bergelmir Germanic
Berserk, Berserker Norse
Bertha[goddess] Norse
Beruth[goddess] Phoenicia
Bes Egypt
Bestla[goddess] Scandinavia
Bhairavi[goddess] Hindu
Bheara Celtic Ireland
Bia Greek
Biame Australia
Biblys[goddess] Greek
Bifrost Norse
Bikeh Hozho[goddess] Navajo
Bila[goddess] Australia
Bilé Celtic
Billing Germanic
Bishamon Japan
Boaliri[goddess] Australia
Boann[goddess] Irish
Bobd Celtic
Bochica Chibcha
Boibhniu Celtic
Bolbe[goddess] Greek
Boldogasszony[goddess] Russia
Bomo Rambi[goddess] Africa
Bona[goddess] Roman
Bona Dea[goddess] Roman
Bone of Ull Norse
Boötes Greek
Bor Norse
Bors Celtic
Boreas Greek
Bormonia[goddess] Roman
Borvo Gaul
Bragi Norse
Brag-srin-mo[goddess] Tibet
Brahma Hindu
Bran Britain
Branwen[goddess] Wales
Breath of Wind[goddess] Iroquois
Breksta[goddess] Lithuania
Bremusa Greek Amazon
Bres Gaelic
Briareus Greek
Bride[goddess] Scotland
Brigandu[goddess] Celtic France
Brigantia[goddess] Celtic Briton
Brighid[goddess] Gaelic
Brihaspati Asian
Brimo[goddess] Greek
Brisa[goddess] Greek
Briseis[goddess] Greek
Britomartis[goddess] Greek
Brize[goddess] Greek
Brizo[goddess] Greek
Brome[goddess] Greek
Bronach[goddess] Irish
Brono Norse
Brontes Greek
Brownie Scotland
Broxa Jewish
Brunhild, Brünnehilde or Brynhild[goddess] Germanic
Bubastis[goddess] Egypt
Bubona[goddess] Roman
Buddha Hindu
Budhi Pallien[goddess] India
Bugady Musun[goddess] Siberia
Buk[goddess] Africa
Buku Africa
Bunbulama[goddess] Australia
Bunzi[goddess] Africa
Buri Norse
Buring une[goddess] Oceania
Busiris Egypt
Butes Greek
Byblis[goddess] Roman
Bylgja[goddess] Norse
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Cabiri Greek
Caca[goddess] Roman
Cacus Roman
Cacus Greek
Cadmus Greek
Caduceus Greek
Caelestis[goddess] MidEast
Caenis[goddess] Greek
Caer[goddess] Irish
Caerus Greek
Cagn Mantis Africa
Cailleach[goddess] Irish
Cairbre Celtic
Cairpre Celtic
Caishen China
Cakulha Maya
Calais Greek
Calchas Greek
Caligo[goddess] Greek
Calliope[goddess] Greek
Callipygos[goddess] Greek
Callirhoe[goddess] Greek
Callisto[goddess] Greek
Calybe[goddess] Roman
Calyce[goddess] Greek
Calypso[goddess] Greek
Camenae Roman
Camilla Roman
Camise[goddess] Roman
Camozotz Maya
Campe Greek
Camulus Gaul
Candace[goddess] Egypt
Candelifera[goddess] Roman
Candi[goddess] India
Candit[goddess] Africa
Canente[goddess] Roman
Canidia[goddess] Greek
Canola[goddess] Irish
Caradawc Celtic
Cardea Roman
Carlin[goddess] Scotland
Carman[goddess] Irish
Carmenta Roman
Carna Roman
Carya[goddess] Greek
Cartimandua[goddess] Britain
Cassandra[goddess] Greek
Cassiopeia[goddess] Greek
Cassios[goddess] Phoenicia
Castalia[goddess] Greek
Castor and Pollux Greek
Catequil Inca
Cathubodva Celtic
Cecrops Greek
Ceibhfhionn[goddess] Irish
Celaneo[goddess] Greek Amazon
Cenn Cruaich Gaelic
Centaur Greek
Centaur Greek
Cephalus Greek
Cer[goddess] Greek
Cerberus Greek
Cerberus Greek
Cercopes Greek
Cercyon Greek
Ceres Roman
Cernunnos Celtic
Cerridwen[goddess] Wales
Cerynean Hind Greek
Cessair[goddess] Irish
Cethe Celtic
Cethlion[goddess] Irish
Cetlenn Celtic
Ceto[goddess] Greek
Challalamma[goddess] India
Chandra Hindu
Chang Fei China
Chang Hsien China
Chang-O[goddess] China
Chang Pan China
Ch'ang Tsai China
Chantico[goddess] Aztec
Chaos Greek
Chaos[goddess] MidEast
Chao San-Niang[goddess] China
Chao T'eng-k'ang China
Chariboea[goddess] Greek
Charis[goddess] Greek
Charites[goddess] Greek
Chariot Greek
Charon Greek
Charybdis[goddess] Greek
Chelone[goddess] Greek
Chem Egypt
Chemosh Moab
Ch'eng Huang China
Cheng San-Kung China
Cheng Huan-ho China
Chen Kao China
Chernobog Slavic
Chibiabos Algonquin
Chichevache German
Chien-Ti[goddess] China
Chih Jih China
Chih-Nii[goddess] China
Chih Nu[goddess] China
Ch'ih Sung-tzu China
Chimaera Greek
Chimata-No-Kami Japan
Ching Ling Tzu China
Ch'ing Lung China
Chin-hua Niang-niang China
Chinnintamma[goddess] India
Chione[goddess] Greek
Chio Yuan-Tsu China
Chi Po China
Chiron Greek
Chloe[goddess] Greek
Chloris[goddess] Greek
Chonso Egypt
Chou Wang China
Chryses Greek
Chryseis[goddess] Greek
Chuang-Mu[goddess] China
Chu-jung China
Chung-kuei China
Chung-li Ch'üan China
Chung Ling-yu China
Chung Liu China
Chu Niao China
Chun T'i[goddess] China
Chup-Kamui[goddess] Japan
Chu Ying China
Cian Celtic
Cihuacoatl[goddess] Nahua
Cilissa[goddess] Greek
Cinei-new[goddess] Russia
Circe[goddess] Greek
Cleite[goddess] Greek Amazon
Cleone[goddess] Greek
Clio[goddess] Greek
Cliodna[goddess] Gaelic
Cloacina[goddess] Roman
Cloelia Roman
Clûd[goddess] Celtic
Clymene[goddess] Greek
Clytemnestra[goddess] Greek
Clytie[goddess] Greek
Coatlicue[goddess] Aztec
Cocidius Britain
Coinquenda[goddess] Roman
Collatina[goddess] Roman
Colleda[goddess] Serbia
Comitia[goddess] Roman
Comus Roman
Conair Celtic
Conall Cernach Irish
Conchobar Celtic
Conciliatrix[goddess] Roman
Concordia Roman
Condatis Britain
Consentes Dii Roman
Consus Roman
Copia[goddess] Roman
Copil Aztec
Copreus Greek
Coranians Celtic
Corb Celtic
Cormac Celtic
Coronis[goddess] Greek
Corra[goddess] Scotland
Corunetes Greek
Corvus Celtic
Corythus Greek
Cottus Greek
Cotys[goddess] Greek
Cotys[goddess] MidEast
Cotytto[goddess] Greek
Coventina[goddess] Britain
Cratos Greek
Creidhne Celtic
Creon Greek
Cressida Greek
Creusa[goddess] Greek
Crius Greek
Cronus Greek
Crotus Greek
Cuba[goddess] Roman
Cuchulainn Celtic
Cuda[goddess] Britain
Culsa[goddess] Roman
Cumhau Maya
Cunina[goddess] Roman
Cunnembeille[goddess] Australia
Cupid Roman
Cupra[goddess] Roman
Cura Roman
Curetes Greek
Cu Roi Irish
Curto-ara[goddess] Russia
Cyane[goddess] Roman
Cybele[goddess] Roman
Cybele[goddess] MidEast
Cyclopes Greek
Cygnus Greek
Cyone[goddess] Greek
Cyrene[goddess] Greek
Dabog Vid, Daba Slavic
Dactyls Greek
Daedalus Greek
Daena[goddess] MidEast
Daevas Babylonia
Dag[goddess] Scandinavia
Dagda Celtic
Dagda's Cauldron Celtic
Dagda's Harp Celtic
Daghdha In Dagda Celtic
Dagon Mesopotamia
Dagwanoenyent[goddess] AmerIndian
Daikoku Japan
Dair Celtic
Dais[goddess] Greek
Dakini[goddess] Hindu
Dali[goddess] Russia
Damia[goddess] Greek
Damkina[goddess] Sumeria
Damma Gaul
Damocles Greek
Damon and Pythias Greek
Damona[goddess] Gaul
Dan Africa
Dana Anu[goddess] Celtic
Danae[goddess] Greek
Danaus Greek
Danu[goddess] Greek
Daphne[goddess] Greek
Daphnis Greek
Darago[goddess] Philippines
Darzamat Latvia
Därzu-mäte[goddess] Russia
Dayang-Raca[goddess] Borneo
Dazhbog Slavic
Dazimus[goddess] MidEast
Dea Dia[goddess] Roman
De ai[goddess] Micronesia
Dea Marica[goddess] Roman
Debena[goddess] Russia
Dechtere[goddess] Irish
Decuma[goddess] Roman
Deianira[goddess] Greek OR
Deianira[goddess] Greek Amazon
Deidamia[goddess] Greek
Deidre[goddess] Celtic
Deimos Greek
Deiphobe[goddess] Greek
Deiphobus Greek
Delka Latvia
Delphinus Greek
Delphyne[goddess] Greek
Demeter[goddess] Greek
Demogorgon Greek
Dendrites Greek
Deng Africa
Deohako[goddess] AmerIndian
Derceto[goddess] Greek
Derimacheia[goddess] Greek Amazon
Derinoe[goddess] Greek Amazon
Derketo[goddess] MidEast
Despoena[goddess] Greek
Deucalion Greek
Devana[goddess] Russia
Devas Asian
Deverra[goddess] Roman
Devi[goddess] Asian
Dewi Wales
Dewi Nawang Sasih[goddess] Sundanese
Dewi Shri[goddess] Bali
Dharma Hindu
Dhat-Badan[goddess] Yemen
Dhisana[goddess] Hindu
Dia[goddess] Roman
Dia Griene[goddess] Scotland
Diana[goddess] Roman
Diancecht Irish
Dido[goddess] Greek
Dido[goddess] Roman
Diiwica[goddess] Russia
Di Jun[goddess] China
Dike[goddess] Greek
Dil[goddess] Irish
Dilga[goddess] Australia
Dilmun Sumeria
Diomedes Greek
Dione[goddess] Greek
Dionysus Greek
Dirce[goddess] Greek
Disciplina[goddess] Roman
Discordia[goddess] Roman
Dis Pater Roman
Diti[goddess] Hindu
Diviriks Lithuania
Diwya[goddess] Greek
Djanggawul[goddess] Australia
Djigonasee[goddess] AmerIndian
Doda[goddess] Serbia
Dogai Oceania
Dolya[goddess] Russia
Domfe Africa
Domnu Celtic
Donar Germanic
Dongo Africa
Doris[goddess] Greek
Dragon Ancient
Dragoni Russia
Draupadi[goddess] Hindu
Draupnir Norse
Druantia[goddess] Celtic
Dryads[goddess] Greek
Dryope[goddess] Greek
Dugnai[goddess] Lithuania
Dumuzi Sumerian
Dunne Enin[goddess] Siberia
Durga[goddess] Hindu
Duttur[goddess] MidEast
Dyaus Hindu
Dyaush India
Dysnomia[goddess] Greek
Dzalarhons[goddess] AmerIndian
Dziewona Poland
Ea Babylonian
Ebisu Japan
Eadon[goddess] Irish
Ececheira[goddess] Greek
Echenais[goddess] Greek
Echidna[goddess] Greek
Echidna Greek
Echo[goddess] Greek
Edda[goddess] Norse
Edinkira[goddess] Africa
Edji[goddess] Russia
Edusa[goddess] Roman
Ef[?] Pygmy/Africa
Efreisone Greek
Egeria[goddess] Roman
Egungun-oya[goddess] Africa
Eidothea[goddess] Greek
Eidyia Greek
Eileithyia[goddess] Greek
Eingana[goddess] Australia
Eir[goddess] Norse
Eireisone[goddess] Greek
Eirene[goddess] Greek
Eka Abassi[goddess] Africa
El Phoenician
Elais[goddess] Greek
Elate[goddess] Greek
Elathan Celtic
Electra[goddess] Greek
Electryon Greek
Elen[goddess] Wales
Elena[goddess] Russian
Eleos[goddess] Greek
Eleuthera[goddess] Greek
Elle[goddess] Norse
Embla[goddess] Norse
Emer[goddess] Irish
Emma-O Japan
Empanda[goddess] Roman
Empusa[goddess] Greek
Enceladus Greek
Enda semangko[goddess] Oceania
Endukugga Sumeria
Endymion Greek
Enekpe[goddess] Africa
Enki Sumeria
Enlil Babylonian
Ennugi Mesopotamia
Enodia[goddess] Greek
Enyo[goddess] Greek
Eos[goddess] Greek
Epeus Greek
Ephialtes Greek
Epigoni Greek
Epimenides Greek
Epimetheus Greek
Epione[goddess] Greek
Epona[goddess] Celtic
Equestris[goddess] Roman
Erathipa Australia
Erato[goddess] Greek
Erc Celtic
Erce[goddess] Slavic
Erda[goddess] German
Erebus Greek
Erectheus Greek
Erecthonius Greek
Eremon Celtic
Eri[goddess] Irish
Erichthonius Roman
Erigone[goddess] Greek
Erinnyes[goddess] Greek
Eris[goddess] Greek
Erishkigal[goddess] Sumeria
Eriu[goddess] Irish
Ermutu[goddess] Egypt
Eros Greek
Erysicthon Greek
Erytheia[goddess] Greek
Eseasar[goddess] Africa
Eshara[goddess] Chaldean
Eshmun Canaan
Eshu Fon[?]
Esu Yoruba
Esus Gaul
Etain[goddess] Irish
Etan Celtic
Eteocles Greek
Ethausva[goddess] Roman
Ethne[goddess] Irish
Ethniu Celtic
Etugen[goddess] Mongol
Eumaeus Greek
Eumenides[goddess] Greek
Eumolpus Greek
Eunomia[goddess] Greek
Eunostos[goddess] Greek
Euphrosyne[goddess] Greek
Europa[goddess] Greek
Eurus Greek
Euryale[goddess] Greek
Eurybia[goddess] Greek
Eurycleia[goddess] Greek
Eurydice[goddess] Greek
Eurylochus Greek
Eurynome[goddess] Greek
Euryphaessa[goddess] Greek
Eurystheus Greek
Euterpe[goddess] Greek
Euthymus Greek
Eutychia[goddess] Greek
Evadne[goddess] Greek
Egyptian gods
Amun: Amun is mentioned in the Pyramid Texts, but was not a prominent god
during the Age of the Pyramids. His name means 'the hidden one' and he was
a god of the atmosphere. Later in Egyptian history, he would become the
main god of the empire.
Anty: Anty was a hawk god of Upper Egypt. He is shown as a hawk sitting on
a crescent moon, or in a boat. He became associated with other hawk-gods,
such as Sokar. King Merenre's birth name, Anty-em-saf acknowledges ties
between his mother's family and the areas where Anty was a major deity.
Anty's name, which refers to his sharp claws, can also be read as Nemty.
Anubis: This jackal-headed god looked after the dead, and was in charge of
the important task of mummification. Anubis can appear as either a black
canine with long sharp ears, or as a man with a canine head. The black
colour of Anubis is not natural to jackals or to the wild dogs of Egypt;
it
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may refer to the discoloration of a body after death and during
mummification. The black colour also refers to the rich dark soil of
Egypt,
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from which new growth came every year; in similar manner, the dead would
come to new life after burial. Dogs, as animal companions, were present in
Egypt from the very beginning. Sometimes dogs were buried with their
masters. It may have given the Egyptians comfort to think of such an
animal
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as guarding the cemeteries, protecting the dead.
Atum: Self-created creator of the Universe. Alone in Nun nothingness he
created Shu and Tefnut, air and moisture. His name means 'the complete
one.' Atum is usually shown as a king. He can symbolize the setting sun.
Babi is a deity shown in Baboon form, and it's from his name that we get
our word for these animals. Babi is ferocious, even blood-thirsty, unlike
the usually calm and reasonable Thoth who also appears as a baboon.
Bastet: Cats are very useful animals in a country that depends on grain.
The cat's hunting instincts were honoured by the Ancient Egyptians, but so
was the cat's gentler side as a warm and loving mother to her kittens.
Bastet can be shown as a woman with a feline head. There are disagreements
among zoologists as to when these animals first began to live with humans
along the Nile, and about which feline became the Egyptian pet. Cats do
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appear as household pets during the Age of the Pyramids, though they were
very popular animal companions in later times. From about three thousand,
two hundred years ago, there are cartoon-like images of cats and mice
engaged in human activities; unfortunately we do not know the stories for
these illustrations.
Bat: Ancient goddess shown with the horns of a buffalo or cow. Her face
appears on the Narmer palette, showing an early association with kingship.
Her character and powers were absorbed by Hathor.
Geb: God of Earth, grandson of Atum, husband of Nut. He is often shown as
a
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man reclining on the earth under a starry sky. The goose is his sacred
animal.
Hapy: God of the annual Nile flood, the Inundation. Shown as a human man
with a crown of plants, and heavy pendulous breasts and a paunch, he
symbolized abundance and fertility.
Hathor: Hathor as the royal goddess. Her name means 'House of Horus." Her
image could take the form of a cow, a woman with a cow's head, or a woman
wearing the horns of a cow. As a motherly cow, she gave the king her
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milk, and protected him as a cow protects her calf. She was the goddess of
love, music, singing, and dance. She was one of the most important deities
in the Age of the Pyramids, and her popularity continued to the end of
Egyptian civilization. In the early economy of Egypt, cows were wealth. A
herd of cattle was a beautiful sight because it represented wealth in the
form of food, milk, hides, and work, as oxen pulled the ploughs of
farmers.
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Cattle dung was a valuable fertilizer and had many uses in building. The
Egyptians admired many qualities in cows, besides their economic benefits.
The cow's careful tending of her calf was a model for motherhood. In a
time
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when many women died in childbirth, the ability of cow's milk to sustain a
human baby was deeply appreciated. Cows, like people, love music and
will happily listen to a human singing, thus it made sense for Hathor to
be
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goddess of music. The big, gentle brown eyes of cows set a standard for
beauty; there are still cultures in the world where to say that a girl is
as pretty as a heifer is a great compliment.
[Neferet-ihew was a popular name meaning Beautiful of cattle.
Nefer-tjenetet meant The herd of Hathor is beautiful. Another name
associated with Hathor was Redew-yehew - feet of cattle]
Heket: Frog-headed goddess of childbirth. Frogs, who produce vast numbers
of tadpoles, were popular as amulets to ensure fertility.
Heh: Shown as a kneeling man grasping two palm ribs, Heh is the
personification of eternity. His image was popular as an amulet, wishing
the wearer 'millions of years.'
Horus: This god is shown as a falcon, or as a man with the head of a
falcon. In Egyptian, his name is Her - the distant one. Like the good king
who sees everything in his kingdom, the hawk is noted for his sharp
vision.
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The sudden stoop of the hawk, as he leaves the distant sky to attack and
capture his prey, is like the quick and decisive action of a king in
defense of his country. Horus is one of the oldest gods of the
Egyptians. In the days when powerful leaders were fighting to make one
nation out of smaller settlements, the early rulers were called Followers
of Horus. On the Narmer palette, the King is shown with a falcon whose one
human arm holds a rope that passes through the nose of a defeated rival.
The earliest way of distinguishing the name of a king from the names of
others was the serekh, which was a rectangle representing the palace of
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king, with a hawk on the top. Originally, there were at least two
gods called Horus. One is the fifth child of Nut and Geb, Horus the Elder,
and the other is the son of Isis and Osiris. Over time, their stories and
attributes came together. An old story tells of how Osiris, king of Egypt,
was murdered by his brother, Seth. Seth was very strong and powerful. He
took over the country, and ruled well. Isis, the wife of Osiris, hid the
child she had born, and raised him in secret. When Horus grew up, he
claimed his father's throne. Seth and Horus struggled for the kingship,
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in the end Horus' claim, as son of the previous king, was recognized by a
court of all the gods, and Horus became king. In Ancient Egypt, each king
was Horus. When a king died, Egyptians said that the falcon had flown to
Heaven and united with the Sun Disk. The next king then became Horus. Like
the Hawk, the king was a fighter, a warrior. This is why Horus, when shown
as a hawk-headed man, wears an armored breast-plate.
Isis: Sister and wife of Osiris, mother of Horus. Isis is the brightest
star in the sky, Sirius, called Soped by the ancient Egyptians. This star
disappears behind the sun for seventy days, then reappears to announce the
annual Nile flood. Isis was thus identified with the waters of the
Inundation that bring dry, dead land back to life. When her husband, king
Osiris, was murdered, she found his decomposing body, bound it together
with linen strips, and used her magic to bring him back to life in a
limited way. Isis' name in Egyptian is Ast which refers to the throne of
the king, which she personifies. Besides performing the first
mummification, Isis was known for her ferocious dedication to her son,
Horus. She upheld his right to rule Egypt against the claims of her
powerful brother, Seth or Sutekh. With determination, cunning, and a
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magic, she was able to ensure that her son succeeded to the throne of his
father. The story of Isis and Osiris, a love story, a story of triumph
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death, and the victory of good and right over brute force, became the most
popular of Egyptian myths. Thousands of years after the last pyramids were
built, Cleopatra VII, the last great queen of Egypt, identified herself
with Isis, devoted wife and mother. The cult of Isis survived the
annexation of Egypt by the Roman empire, and remained a powerful religion
until the rise of Christianity and Islam.
Khnum: The full name of Khufu, builder of the Great Pyramid, was
Khnum-khufu - the god Khnum protects him. Khnum, as god of the Nile
cataract, controlled the annual inundation of Egypt. He is shown as a man
with the head of a ram, or as a ram. He creates human life by moulding
each
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of us on a potter's wheel. His role as creator may reflect the procreative
power and strength of the ram.
Maat: Goddess of order, truth, justice, and balance. As the daughter of
Atum or Re, she was one of the first forces in the created universe, and
helped to bring order out of chaos. Each Egyptian king was duty bound to
honour and promote order and justice.
Min: Male fertility god and protector of the mines in the Eastern desert.
He is one of the oldest attested Egyptian gods. He is shown as an
ithyphallic man with a crown of two plumes, his right arm raised to
support
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the royal flagellum.
Neith: Goddess of the North of Egypt, protector of the king. One of the
oldest attested Egyptian deities; her characteristic headgear became the
'red crown' of the kings of Egypt. From the dawn of history in Egypt,
powerful women formed their names with hers: Neith-hotep Neith is content
was the wife of Aha, first king of the First Dynasty; the wife of King
Djet, and mother of King Den was named Meret-Neith beloved of Neith.
Neith may have been originally a goddess of hunting, but warfare was also
in her sphere. She was a goddess of the living world, of power and
politics. Her emblem appears to be two arrows crossed behind a shield. In
early examples, though, the shield can clearly be seen to be two elaterid
or 'click' beetles, end to end, with arrows crossed behind them. Long
after
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the Pyramid Age, a story was written crediting her with the creation of
the
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universe.
Nekhbet: Vulture-goddess of Upper Egypt. Nekhbet is a mother goddess who
protects the king. She represents the White Crown of Upper Egypt, which
she
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sometimes wears. By the Fifth Dynasty, she became associated with royal
women; the king's great royal wife wears a vulture headdress.
Nephthys: Daughter of Nut and Geb, sister of Isis, Osiris and Seth. She
joined Isis in her search for the body of Osiris, and mourned over his
corpse with her. Her name means owner of the palace; she represents the
palace itself. A late legend makes her the mother of Anubis.
Nut: The personification of the sky. Nut is honoured as a mother goddess.
She was the wife of Geb, and daughter of Shu and Tefnut. her five children
are Osiris and Isis, Nephthys and Seth, and Horus the Elder.
Osiris: God of the Dead. Osiris is almost always depicted as a man wrapped
in mummy-cloths, his hands protruding from the wrappings to grasp
scepters,
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and a crown on his head. His face can be green, black, or gold. He is a
god
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of agriculture, for his death and resurrection are like those of a seed,
cast in to the dark earth, motionless. New life breaks through its husk to
push its way to the surface of the earth as a green shoot. Osiris came to
prominence in the Fifth Dynasty. He became one of the most important of
Egyptian gods because he symbolized the triumph of life over death. For
his story, see Horus and Isis. In early times, the dead King was
associated with Osiris, but in later times in Egypt, every person could
join Osiris in the Afterlife, where he ruled as King of the Underworld. He
judged the dead, and let no evil person enjoy the pleasures of eternal
life. Ptah: Ancient creator-god of Memphis. Ptah is shown as a man wearing
a skull-cap, dressed in a tight-fitting robe that may be mummy-wrappings.
His hands protrude from the wrappings to grasp scepters. He was the patron
of craftsmen. Re: The sun, king of the gods, creator god of Yunu
Heliopolis. Re has many forms, but often appears as a man with the head
of a hawk and a sun-disk which is encircled by a cobra. Over time, many
other gods were assimilated to him: such as Atum-Re, Amun-Re. Human beings
were created from the tears of Re. Renenutet: A mother-goddess often shown
with the head of a snake. Her name means ''the one who nurtures." She
attended births.
Sakhmet: The name of this goddess means the powerful one. She was the
daughter of the sun-god, Re, and the wife of Ptah. She is shown with the
head of a lioness and the body of a woman, suggesting her great force and
power, and her sometimes dangerous nature. She could both bring plagues
and
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protect people from them. In the Age of the Pyramids, Sakhmet was
sometimes
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shown embracing the king, breathing divine life into his nostrils.
Seth: God of the desert, storm, and chaos. Seth is a strong god whose
angry
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power is part of kingship. Later legends stress his murder of his brother
Osiris and his struggle with his nephew Horus over who should be king. The
ancient Egyptians believed that both the forces of Law and Order,
represented by Horus, and the power of chaos symbolized by Seth, were
necessary for kingship. Another way of spelling the name of this god is
Sutekh.
Shu: the god of air and light. He is the husband of Tefnut, and father of
Geb, grandfather of Osiris. His symbol is an ostrich feather. The pyramid
texts suggest that the clouds of the sky are his bones.
Sobek: Shown as a crocodile or a man with crocodile head, Sobek symbolized
swift action and violence, and in these aspects could be a god of
kingship.
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He was the son of Neith. Lakes, riverbanks, and swamps were his particular
haunts. Ancient Egyptians travelled the Nile for trade, fished in it, and
used its waters to irrigate their fields. The crocodiles who lived in the
water were a constant presence and danger.
Sokar: A hawk-god, he was the patron of the royal cemetery near Memphis.
it
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is called after him, Sakkara to this day.
Tefnut: Goddess of moisture. Daughter of Atum, wife of Shu. She is one of
the goddesses who can be called The Eye of Re. She can be shown as a woman
with the head of a lion.
Thoth: A moon god, who was also the god of scribes and writing. As god of
scribes, he is associated with justice and truth, and with conciliation.
As
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god of wisdom, he inspired scribes and priests, and presided over sacred,
secret, knowledge. His name in Ancient Egyptian may have sounded something
like Djehuty. He can be shown as a man with the head of an Ibis. The
powerful wings of this bird could carry a king over the celestial river
into the Afterlife. Thoth usually wears a crescent moon, supporting a full
moon-disk on his head. Perhaps the long beak of the Ibis reminded the
Egyptians of the crescent moon, and it's white and black feathers made
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think of the patterns on the moon. Two animals were especially sacred to
Thoth: the Ibis, and the Baboon. A baboon, sitting up straight, can be an
image of Thoth. In the Story of the Eye of Re, Thoth transformed himself
into a baboon to follow an angry goddess into Nubia, and told her stories
until she returned to Egypt.
Wadjet: Cobra goddess of Lower Egypt. She is one of the king's protectors.
It is she who rears up over his brow on the royal crowns and headdresses.
As the Uraeus, iaretThursday, January 13, 2000 in Egyptian she has the
power to blast the enemies of the king.
Fa Africa
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Fagus Gaul
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Faumea[goddess] Polynesia
Fauna[goddess] Roman
Faunus Roman
Faustulus Roman
Fea[goddess] Celtic
Febris[goddess] Roman
Februa[goddess] Roman
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Fecunditas[goddess] Roman
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Fuji[goddess] Japan
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Galinthias Greek
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Gaoh AmerIndian/Iroquois
Gaomei[goddess] China
Garm Norse
Garuda Hindu
Gatamdug[goddess] Mid-East
Gauri Hindu
Gauri-Sankar[goddess] India
Gawaunduk[goddess] AmerIndian/Ojibwa
Geezhigo-Quae[goddess] AmerIndian/Ojibwa
Gefion[goddess] Norse
Gefjon Scandinavian
Geirrod Norse
Gekka-O Japan
Gendenwitha[goddess] AmerIndian/Iroquois
Genea[goddess] Phoenicia
Genetaska[goddess] AmerIndian/Iroquois
Genita Mana[goddess] Roman
Genos Phoenicia
Geofon[goddess] Britain
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Gerd[goddess] Scandinavian
Geryon Greek
Gestinanna[goddess] Egypt
Giane[goddess] Roman
Gidja Australia
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Ginnunggap Norse
Gioll Norse
Girdle of Thor Norse
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Giriputri[goddess] Bali
Gjallahorn Norse
Glauce[goddess] Greek
Glaucus Greek
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Gleipnir Scandinavian
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Gleti[goddess] Africa
Gna[goddess] Norse
Gnome Greek
Gnowee[goddess] Australia
Goblin Worldwide
Godar Scandinavian
Goga[goddess] Oceania
Goibhniu Celtic
Goidel Celtic
Goilveig[goddess] Scandinavia
Goleuddydd[goddess] Wales
Gondul[goddess] Norse
Gonlod[goddess] Scandinavia
Gonzuole[goddess] Africa
Gopis[goddess] Hindu
Gordius Greek
Govannon Wales
Grainne[goddess] Irish
Grendel Norse
Grhadevi India
Grian[goddess] Wales
Groa[goddess] Scandinavia
Gryphon Mid-East
Gua Africa
Guan Di China
Gucumatz Maya
Gujeswari India
Gula[goddess] Babylonia
Gulltopr Norse
Gulu Dinka/Africa
Gum Lin China
Gunab Africa
Gungnir Norse
Gwendydd[goddess] Wales
Gwyar[goddess] Wales
Gwyllion[goddess] Wales
Gwyn ap Nudd Celtic
Gyges Greek
Habetrot[goddess] Britain
Hachiman Japan
Hadad Canaan
Hades Greek
Haemon Greek
Hagno[goddess] Greek
Hahgwehdiyu AmerIndian/Iroquois
Hak[goddess] Egypt
Halia[goddess] Greek
Halirrhothius Greek
Halls of the Gods Germanic
Halsodyne[goddess] Greek
Hanghepi Wi AmerIndian/Dakota
Hannahanna Hittite
Hanuman Hindu
Hao Ch'iu China
Hapimou Egypt
Hari-Hara Hindu
Hariti[goddess] Buddhist
Harmonia[goddess] Greek
Harmothoe[goddess] Greek Amazon
Harpalyce[goddess] Greek
Harpies[goddess] Greek
Harpocrates Greek
Harpocrates Egypt
Harpy Greek
Hast[goddess] Egypt
Hastsehogan AmerIndian/Navajo
Hastseoltoi[goddess] AmerIndian/Navajo
Hastsezini AmerIndian/Navajo
Hatti[goddess] MidEast
Haumea Hawaii
Haumia New Zealand
Hea[goddess] MidEast
Hebe[goddess] Greek
Hecate[goddess] Greek
Hecuba[goddess] Greek
Hedetet[goddess] Egypt
Hegemone[goddess] Greek
Heimdall Norse
Heket[goddess] Egypt
Hel[goddess] Norse
Helen[goddess] Greek
Helena[goddess] Greek
Helia[goddess] Greek
Helios Greek
Helle[goddess] Greek
Hellen Greek
Hemera[goddess] Greek
Heng AmerIndian/Huron
Heng-o[goddess] China
Hephaestus Greek
Hera[goddess] Greek
Heracles Herakles Greek
Hercules Roman
Hermaphroditus Greek
Hermes Greek
Hermione[goddess] Greek
Hermod Norse
Hero and Leander[goddess] Greek
Herse[goddess] Greek
Hesperia Greek
Hesperides Greek
Hesperos[goddess] Greek
Hestia[goddess] Greek
Hettsui No Kami[goddess] Japan
Hiiaka'[goddess] Polynesia
Hilaeira[goddess] Greek
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Hina[goddess] Oceania
Hine Polynesia
Hine titama[goddess] New Zealand
Hippasus Greek
Hippe[goddess] Greek
Hippocampus Roman
Hippodameia[goddess] Greek
Hippodamia[goddess] Greek
Hippolytus Greek
Hippomenes Greek
Hippona[goddess] Roman
Hiribi[goddess] Canaan
Hlin[goddess] Scandinavia
Hnossa[goddess] Scandinavia
Hoa-Tapu Tahiti
Hogni Norse
Holda[goddess] Norse
Ho-Masubi[goddess] Japan
Honir Norse
Ho Po Ping-I China
Hora[goddess] Roman
Horae[goddess] Greek
Horta[goddess] Roman
Hosia[goddess] Greek
Hostilina[goddess] Roman
Hotei Japan
Hotogov[goddess] Russia
Hotoru AmerIndian/Pawnee
Hou Chi China
Houri, The[goddess] MidEast
Hou T'u[goddess] China
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Hresvelgr Norse
Hsiao Wu China
Hsieh Tien-chun China
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Hsi-shen China
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Hsuan Wen-hua China
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Huang Ti China
Huang T'ing China
Huehueteotl Aztec
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Hulka Devi[goddess] Hindu
Humban MidEast
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Hyacinthus Greek
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Hymen Greek
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Hymir Norse
Hyperion Greek
Hypnos Greek
Hypsiple[goddess] Greek
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Iapetus Greek
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Ichneumon Egypt
Idas/Lyncaeus Greek
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Idliragijenget[goddess] Inuit
Idlirvirisong Eskimo
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Idun[goddess] Norse
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Iku Africa/Nigeria
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Ilmarinen Celtic
Imana Africa
'Imoa[goddess] Polynesia
Incubus Medieval
Inari Japan
Indra India
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Intercidona[goddess] Roman
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Invidia[goddess] Greek
Inyx[goddess] Greek
Io[goddess] Greek
Io Oceania
Iole[goddess] Greek
Ioskeha Iroquois
Ipalnemohuani Aztec
Iphigenia[goddess] Greek
Iphimedeia[goddess] Greek
Iphito[goddess] Greek Amazon
Iphis Greek
Iris[goddess] Greek
Irus Greek
Iruwa Africa/Kenya
Ishkur Mesopotamia
Ishtar[goddess] Babylonian
Ismene[goddess] Greek
Isten Hungary
Ite[goddess] Oglala
Ithm[goddess] Canaan
Ixion Greek
Izanagi and [goddess] Izanami Japan
Jabme-akka[goddess] Norse
Jagganath Hindu
Jamshid Jamshyd Persia
Jana[goddess] Roman
Ja-neb[?][goddess] Russia
Janus Roman
Jarina[goddess] Brazil
Jedza[goddess] Russia
Jen An China
Jocasta[goddess] Greek
Jormungandr Norse
Jotunheim Norse
Jubbu-jang-sangne[goddess] Brazil
Judur[goddess] Norse
Juga[goddess] Roman
Julana Australia
Julunggul[goddess] Australia
Jumala Finland
Junkgowa[goddess] Australia
Juno[goddess] Roman
Juok Shilluk/Africa
Jupiter Roman
Jurojin Japan
Justitia[goddess] Roman
Juturna[goddess] Roman
Juventas[goddess] Roman
Jyeshtha[goddess] Hindu
Kabta Sumeria
Kadi[goddess] Assyria
Kagutsuchi Japan
Kajsa[goddess] Norse
Kaldas[goddess] Russia
Kali[goddess] India
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Kami Japan
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Katsinas Acoma
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King Wan China
Kinich Ahau Maya
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Kintu Dinka/Africa
Kishijoten[goddess] Japan
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Ko Hsien-Weng China
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Kolias[goddess] Greek
Komodia[goddess] Greek
Konori Oceania
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Kore[goddess] Greek
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Krishna Hindu
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Krumine Lithuania
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Kun Aymara
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Kupala[goddess] Slavic
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Kvasir Norse
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Lactura[goddess] Greek
Ladon Greek
Laelaps Greek
Laertes Greek
Laestrygones Greek
Laga[goddess] Norse
Lahar[goddess] Babylonian
Lai Cho China
La'idamlulum Kule[goddess]
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Lampus Greek
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Lao Lang China
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Leda[goddess] Greek
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Leshy Slavonic
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Liber Roman
Libera[goddess] Roman
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Lono Hawaii
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Ludd Britain
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Lycos Greek
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Lynceus Greek
Maan-emo[goddess] Norse
Mabon Celtic
Macaw Woman[goddess] Maya
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Machaon Greek
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Macuilxochitl Aztec/Mixtec
Madalait[goddess] Australia
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Magna Mater[goddess] Roman
Magni Norse
Mahiuki Oceania
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Maia[goddess] Greek
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MakeMake Oceania
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Manticore Persia
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Mari[goddess] MidEast
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Marina Slavic
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Mars Roman
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Masauwu Hopi
Massim Biambe Congo/Africa
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Maui Oceania
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Mayavel Hindu
Mboze[goddess] Africa
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Medea[goddess] Greek
Medeine Lithuania
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Medusa[goddess] Greek
Megaera[goddess] Greek
Mehturt[goddess] Egypt
Meiboia[goddess] Greek
Meilichia[goddess] Greek
Melampus Greek
Melanius Greek
Meleager Greek
Melgart Canaan
Melinoe[goddess] Greek
Melissa[goddess] Greek
Mellona[goddess] Roman
Melobosis[goddess] Greek
Melpomene[goddess] Greek
Melu Oceania
Memnon Greek
Menalippe[goddess] Greek
Menehune Oceania
Menelaus Greek
Meni MidEast
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Men Shen China
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Menu Menulis Baltic
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Merodach MidEast
Merope[goddess] Greek
Meru Hindu
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Messia[goddess] Roman
Metis[goddess] Greek
Metra[goddess] Greek
Metsarhatija[goddess] Finland
Miao Hu China
Mida[goddess] Greek
Midas Greek
Mider Celtic
Midgard Scandinavian
Mi-lo Fo China
Mimir Norse
Mimir Norse
Mimir's Head Norse
Min Egypt
Minepa Macoua/Africa
Minerva Roman
Ming Shang China
Minnehaha[goddess] Blackfoot
Minos Greek
Minotaur Greek
Mir-susne-khun Russia
Miseria[goddess] Roman
Misor MidEast
Mithra India
Mlakukh[goddess] Roman
Mnemosyne[goddess] Greek
Modgud[goddess] Norse
Modron[goddess] Wales
Moeuhane Oceania
Mogons Britain
Moirae[goddess] Greek
Mokkuralfi Norse
Molae, The[goddess] Roman
Moloch Canaan
Molpadia[goddess] Greek Amazon
Molpadia[goddess] Greek
Momu[goddess] Scotland
Momus Greek
Moneta[goddess] Roman
Monju-Bosatsu Japan
Moombi[goddess] Kikuyu/Africa
Mor Celtic
Mors Roman
Morgen[goddess] Celtic
Mormo[goddess] Greek
Moros Greek
Morpheus Greek
Morrigan[goddess] Celtic
Morta[goddess] Roman
Mot Phoenician
Mothir[goddess] Norse
Mukasa Buganda/Africa
Mulhhalmoni[goddess] Korea
Muliebris[goddess] Roman
Mulungu East Africa
Muluku Macoua/Africa
Munin Norse
Munthukh[goddess] Roman
Muses[goddess] Greek
Mushdama Mesopotamia
Muspelheim Norse
Muta[goddess] Roman
Mwambu Luyia/Africa
Myesyats Slavonic
Mylitta[goddess] Babylonian
Myrddin Celtic
Myrmidons Greek
Myrrha[goddess] Greek
Mystis[goddess] Greek
Naamah[goddess] Canaan
Nabu Babylonian
Nabudi[goddess] Australia
Naenia[goddess] Roman
Nagas Hindu
Naiads[goddess] Greek
Nai-No-Kami Japan
Nairyosangha Iran
Nambi[goddess] Buganda/Africa
Nammu[goddess] Sumeria
Namtar Babylonian
Namtaru Assyria
Nana Buluku[goddess] Fon/Africa
Nanan-Bouclou Africa
Nan-chi Hsien-weng China
Nanna Sumeria
Nanna[goddess] Norse
Nantosuelta[goddess] Gaul
Naoise Irish
Napaea, The[goddess] Greek
Naraka Hindu
Narcissus Greek
Nascio[goddess] Roman
Nastasija[goddess] Russia
Nastrand Norse
Nausicaa[goddess] Greek
Nausithoe[goddess] Greek
Ndauthina Fiji
Neaera[goddess] Greek
Nebo MidEast
Neb-Ti[goddess] Egypt
Necessitas[goddess] Roman
Nectar Greek
Neda[goddess] Greek
Nehalennia[goddess] Gaul
Nehallenia[goddess] Holland
Nelaima[goddess] Russia
Nemain Celtic
Nemea[goddess] Greek
Nemean Lion Greek
Nemesis[goddess] Greek
Nemetoma[goddess] Celtic
Nemon[goddess] Celtic
Neptune Roman
Nereids[goddess] Greek
Nereus Greek
Nergal Babylonian
Nerine[goddess] Roman
Nerio[goddess] Roman
Nesaru /Arikara
Ne Te-reere[goddess] Micronesia
Nevinbimbaau Melanesia
Ng ai Masai/Africa
Ngendei Oceania
Nicothoe[goddess] Greek
Nidaba[goddess] Sumeria
Nidhogg Norse
Nidhogg Norse
Niflheim Norse
Nike[goddess] Greek
Nikta[goddess] Greek
Ninhursag or Nintu[goddess] Sumerian
Ninlil Sumeria
Ninsar[goddess] Sumeria
Nintur[goddess] Babylonia
Ninurta Sumeria
Ni-O Buddhist
Niobe[goddess] Greek
Nirriti[goddess] Hindu
Nishanu /Arikara
Nissa[goddess] Greek
Niu Wang China
Nobu Oceania
Nodens Britain
No-Il Ja-Dae[goddess] Korea
Nona[goddess] Roman
Norov Russia
Nortia[goddess] Roman
Notos Greek
Nott[goddess] Norse
Nox[goddess] Roman
Nuada Celtic
Nu-kua[goddess] China
Numeria[goddess] Roman
Numina Roman
Numi-tarem Russia
Nundina[goddess] Roman
Nu Wa[goddess] China
Nyambe Western Tropics/Africa
Nyankopon Ashanti/Africa
Nyasaye Africa
Nyia Slavic
Nymphs[demi-goddess] Greek
Nyx[goddess] Greek
Nzame Africa
Oberon Britain
Oboto[goddess] Africa
Oceanides, The[goddess] Greek
Oceanus Greek
Ocypete[goddess] Greek
Oddudua[goddess] Puerto Rico
Odin Norse
Odudua-Orishala Yoruba/Africa
Odyne[goddess] Greek
Odysseus Greek
Oedipus Greek
Oenghus Irish
Oeno Greek
Oenone[goddess] Greek
Ogmios Celtic
Ogoun Haiti
Ogun Yoruba/Africa
Ogyrvran Celtic
Oisin Irish
Oklatabashin Choctaw
O-Kuni-Nushi Japan
Olokum[goddess] West Indies
Olokun Yoruba/Africa
Olorun Yoruba/Africa
Olosa[goddess] Puerto Rico
Olympians Greek
Omoigane Japan
Omphale[goddess] Greek OR
Onagh Celtic
Oncaea[goddess] Greek
Oneroi Greek
Ophion Greek
Ophiuchus Greek
Ophthalmitis[goddess] Greek
Opigena[goddess] Roman
Ops[goddess] Roman
Ora[goddess] Russia
Orbona[goddess] Roman
Orestes Greek
Orion Greek
Orisha Nla Yoruba/Africa
Ornis Greek
Oro Oceania
Orpheus Greek
Orseis[goddess] Greek
Orunmila Yoruba/Africa
Osanyin Africa
Oshe Yoruba/Africa
Oshun[goddess] West Indies
Osiris Egypt
Ossa[goddess] Greek
Osun[goddess] Africa
Ot[goddess] Russia
Otrere[goddess] Greek Amazon
Ottar Norse
Outgard Norse
Ove Oceania
Oya[goddess] Africa
Oya[goddess] West Indies
Pa[goddess] China
Pa[goddess] Canaan
Pa Cha[goddess] China
Paen Greek
Pai Chung China
Pai Liu-Fang China
Paiowa[goddess] Yana
Pai Yu China
Paka'a Oceania
Palamedes Greek
Palato[goddess] Roman
Pales[goddess] Roman
Pallas[goddess] Greek
Pallor[goddess] Roman
Palpinkalare[goddess] Australia
Pamphile[goddess] Greek
Pan Greek
Pana[goddess] Inuit
Panacea[goddess] Greek
Panacea[goddess] Roman
Panatis[goddess] Greek
P'an-Chin-Lien[goddess] China
Pandia[goddess] Greek
Pandora[goddess] Greek
Pandrosos[goddess] Greek
P'an Niang[goddess] China
Panope[goddess] Greek
Pao Yuan-ch'uan China
Papa[goddess] Hawaii
Papa[goddess] Maori
Parashurama Hindu
Parca[goddess] Roman
Paregoros[goddess] Greek
Parjanya Hindu
Parmaceia[goddess] Greek
Parnassides, The[goddess] Greek
Parthenope[goddess] Roman
Partholon Irish
Parvati[goddess] Hindu
Pasht[goddess] Egypt
Pasiphae[goddess] Greek
Patella[goddess] Roman
Patollo Baltic
Patrimpas Lithuania
Patroclus Greek
Paurnamasi[goddess] Hindu
Pax[goddess] Roman
Pazuzu Babylonia
Pecunia[goddess] Roman
Peitho[goddess] Greek
Pekko Finland
Pele[goddess] Polynesia
Pelonia[goddess] Roman
Penates Roman
Penelope[goddess] Greek
Penia[goddess] Greek
Penthus Greek
Pereplut[goddess] Slavic
Peri Persia
Perkuno Baltic
Persephone[goddess] Greek
Perseus Greek
Pertunda[goddess] Roman
Perun Slavic
Phaea[goddess] Greek
Phaedra[goddess] Greek
Phan Ku China
Phantasos Greek
Phebele Congo/Africa
Pheme Greek
Phemonoe[goddess] Greek
Philemon Roman
Philoctetes Greek
Philotes[goddess] Greek
Phobetus Greek
Phobus Greek
Phoebe[goddess] Greek
Phorcys Greek
Phospherus Greek
Phthonus Greek
Physis[goddess] Greek
Phytalus[goddess] Greek
Phytia[goddess] Greek
P'i Chia-Ma China
Picus Roman
Pien Ho Hindu
Pietas[goddess] Roman
Pikuolis Lithuania
Pilnytis Lithuania
Piluitus[goddess] Russia
Pipleia[goddess] Greek
Pithys[goddess] Greek
Pleiades[goddess] Greek
Ploto[goddess] Greek
Pluto Roman
Plutus Greek
Poena[goddess] Roman
Poene[goddess] Greek
Polyhymnia[goddess] Greek
Polynices Greek
Polyphemus Greek
Polyxena[goddess] Greek
Pomona[goddess] Roman
Portunus Roman
Porus Roman
Poseidon Greek
Poshjo-akka[goddess] Scandinavian
Postvorta[goddess] Roman
Pothos Greek
Potina Roman
Potrimpo Baltic
Po Yan Dari[goddess] Cambodia
Prajapati India
Praxidice[goddess] Greek
Praxidike[goddess] Roman
Priam Greek
Priapus Greek
Priapus Roman
Prithivi[goddess] Hindu
Procrustes Greek
Prometheus Greek
Proserpina[goddess] Roman
Prosymna[goddess] Greek
Proteus Greek
Protogenia[goddess] Greek
Protogonus Greek
Psamathe[goddess] Greek
Psyche[goddess] Roman
Ptah Egypt
Puchan Asian
Pudicitia[goddess] Roman
Pudicitia[goddess] Greek
Pukkeenegak[goddess] Eskimo
Purandhi[goddess] India
Purusha Hindu
Puskaitis Lithuania
Puta[goddess] Roman
Pwyll Celtic
Pygmalion Greek
Pygmies Greek
Pyrene[goddess] Greek
Pyrrha[goddess] Greek
Python Greek
Qadshu[goddess] Syria
Qakma[goddess] Bella Coola
Qetesh[goddess] Egypt
Quan Yin[goddess] China
Quat Melanesia
Quetzalcoatl Aztec
Quies[goddess] Roman
Quirinus Roman
Quiritis[goddess] Roman
Quootis-hooi[goddess] Chinook
Radha[goddess] Hindu
Ragno[goddess] Hopi
Raiden Japan
Rainha Barba[goddess] Brazil/Belem
Raksava India
Rakshas India
Rama Hindu
Ran[goddess] Norse
Rana Nedia[goddess] Lapland
Rangi Maori
Ranno Egypt
Rapithwin Persia
Rashnu Iran
Rati[goddess] Hindu
Rati[goddess] Bali
Rati-mbati-ndua Oceania
Ratri[goddess] Hindu/Vedic
Ratu-Mai-Mbula Fiji
Rauni[goddess] Finland
Renenet[goddess] Egypt
Resheph Mikal Phoenician
Rhacius Greek
Rhadamanthys Greek
Rhaecus Greek
Rhea[goddess] Greek
Rhea Silvia[goddess] Roman
Rhene[goddess] Greek
Rhesus Greek
Rhiannon[goddess] Wales
Rhode[goddess] Greek
Rhodope[goddess] Greek
Rhodopis[goddess] Greek
Rhodos[goddess] Greek
Rhoecus Greek
Rhoetus Greek
Rigosamos Celtic
Rimmon MidEast
Rind[goddess] Germanic
Ripheus Greek
Robigo[goddess] Roman
Robigus Roman
Rod Slavic
Rodasi[goddess] Hindu/Vedic
Roma[goddess] Roman
Romulus and Remus Roman
Rongo Maori
Roskva[goddess] Norse
Rosmerta Gaul
Rota[goddess] Scandinavian
Rua Tahiti
Ruahatu Oceania
Rudra Hindu
Rudrani[goddess] India
Rugaba Africa/Uganda
Rugiviet Slavic
Rukko[goddess] Mandan
Rultennin Russian
Rumia Dea[goddess] Roman
Rumina[goddess] Roman
Rumina[goddess] India
Rumor[goddess] Greek OR
Rumor Greek
Runcina[goddess] Roman
Rusalki[goddess] Slavonic/Russian
Rusina[goddess] Roman
Sabazius Greek
Sadarnuna[goddess] Sumeria
Sadb Celtic
Saga[goddess] Norse
Sagbata Dahomey/Africa
Salacia[goddess] Roman
Salamis[goddess] Greek
Salmacis[goddess] Greek
Salmaone[goddess] Greek
Salmoneus Greek
Salus[goddess] Roman
Samantha-Bhadra[goddess] Tibet
Samon Greek
Samundra[goddess] India
Sanape[goddess] Greek
Sangarius Greek
Sang-rgyas-mkhá[goddess] Tibet
Saning Sri[goddess] Java
Sanjna[goddess] Hindu
San Kuan China
Sao[goddess] Greek
Sao-ch'ing Niang[goddess] China
Saoshyant Iran
Sapentia[goddess] Roman
Sappho[goddess] Greek
Sarasvati[goddess] India
Sargon Mesopotamia
Sarpedon Greek
Sarudahiko China
Sati[goddess] Hindu
Sati Satis, Satet[goddess] Egypt
Saturn Roman
Satyr Greek
Satyrs Greek
Saule[goddess] Baltic
Saurus Greek
Savitar India
Scabies[goddess] Roman
Scamander Greek
Scamandrius Greek
Schedius Greek
Schoeneus Greek
Sciapodes Greek
Sciron Greek
Scotia[goddess] Greek
Scylla and Charybdis[goddess] Greek
Scythes Greek
Sebek Egypt
Secia[goddess] Roman
Sedna[goddess] Eskimo
Segetia Seja[goddess] Roman
Seker Egypt
Sekhet[goddess] Egypt
Sekhmet[goddess] Egypt
Selene[goddess] Greek
Selinus Greek
Selket[goddess] Egypt
Selu[goddess] Cherokee
Semargl Slavic
Semele[goddess] Greek
Semiramis[goddess] Greek
Senecta[goddess] Greek
Sengdroma[goddess] Tibet
Sentia Roman
Sequona[goddess] Celtic
Serapis Egypt
Serestus Greek
Sergestus Greek
Serket Egypt
Seshat[goddess] Egypt
Sessrumnir Germanic
Set Egypt
Seth Egypt
Setekh Egypt
Sgeg-mo-ma[goddess] Tibet
Shagpona Yoruba/Africa
Shahar Canaan
Shai Egypt
Shakuru Pawnee
Shalim Canaan
Shamish Babylonian
Shang Chien China
Shango Yoruba/Africa
Shang Ti China
Shapshu[goddess] Canaan
Shashti[goddess] Hindu
She chi China
Sheger Canaan
Sheng Mu[goddess] China
Shen Hsui-Chih China
Shen Nung China
Shih Liang China
Shilup Chito Osh Choctaw
Shine-Tsu-Hiko Japan
Shiu Fang China
Shony Celtic
Shoten Japan
Shou-lao China
Shu and Tefnut Egypt
Shun I Fu-jen[goddess] China
Shuzanghu India
Si[goddess] Peru
Sibyls[goddess] Greek
Siden[goddess] Greek
Sidero[goddess] Greek
Sien-Tsang[goddess] China
Sif[goddess] Norse
Sigfried Sigurd Norse
Signy[goddess] Norse
Sigurd Germanic
Sigyn[goddess] Germanic
Silenus Greek
Silenus Greek
Silvanus Roman
Sin Babylonian
Sinis Greek
Sinon Greek
Sinope[goddess] Greek
Sio Humis Hopi
Sirêne[goddess] Haiti
Sirens, The[goddess] Greek
Siris[goddess] Babylonian
Sirona[goddess] Gaul
Sisyphus Greek
Sitala Shatala[goddess] Hindu
Sithon Greek
Siva Shiva India/Hindu
Sjofn[goddess] Norse
Skadi Skade[goddess] Norse
Skanda Hindu
Skidbladnir Norse
Skirnir Norse
Skuld[goddess] Scandinavia
Sleipnir Norse
Smotef Egypt
Smyrna Myrrh[goddess] Greek
Snotra[goddess] Norse
Snouf Egypt
Sobek Egypt
Sol Roman
Solois Greek
Soma India or
Soma Asian
Somnus Roman
Sopatrus Greek
Sophax Greek
Sophrosyne[goddess] Greek
Sopona Yoruba/Africa
Soteira[goddess] Greek
Sottef Egypt
Souconna[goddess] Celtic
Sparta[goddess] Greek
Speio[goddess] Greek
Spercheius Greek
Spermo Greek
Sphinx Egypt/Greek
Sraddha[goddess] Hindu
Sraosha Iran
Sreng Celtic
Ssu-ma Hsiang-ju China
Staphylus Greek
Stentor Greek
Sterope[goddess] Greek
Stheneboea[goddess] Greek
Sthenelus Greek
Stilbe[goddess] Greek
Strenia[goddess] Roman
Strenua[goddess] Roman
Stribog Slavic
Strymo[goddess] Greek
Strymon Greek
Stymphalian Birds Greek
Styx[goddess] Greek
Suada Roman
Sualtam Celtic
Succubus Medieval
Sucellus Gaul
Sudjaje Slavic
Sulis[goddess] Britain
Summanus Roman
Sung-Chiang China
Sunna[goddess] Norse
Sun-Pin China
Sunrta[goddess] Hindu
Sun Ssu-miao China
Supai Inca
Sura[goddess] India
Surabhi[goddess] India
Surtr Norse
Surya Hindu
Susa-no-wo Japan
Svantovit Slavic
Svarazic Slavic
Svasti-devi[goddess] Hindu
Samon Greek
Syleus[goddess] Greek
Sylvanus Roman
Syme[goddess] Greek
Syn[goddess] Norse
Syrinx[goddess] Greek
Syrus Greek
Ta'aroa Tahiti
Taautos Phoenicia
Tabliope Greek
Tages Roman
Tagni Roman
Tailtiu Celtic
Tajika-no-mikoto Japan
Talaus Greek
Talos Talus Greek
Talthybius Greek
Talus Greek
Tammuz Babylonian
Tamakaia Oceania
Tana Roman
Tanagra Greek
Tan Chu China
Tane Oceania
Tane Maori
Tanemahuta Polynesian
Tangaroa Polynesian
Tangaroa Maori
T'ang Ming Huang China
Tanit Roman
Tanit Canaan
Tankun Korean
Tano Togo/Africa
Tantalus Greek
Tanus Roman
Tao Kung China
Taphius Greek
Tapio Russia
Taranis Gaul
Tarhuhyiawahku /Iroquois
Tarpeia Roman
Tarquinius Priscus Roman
Tarquinius Superbus Roman
Tartarus Greek
Taru MidEast
Tasimmet Hittite
Tauret Egypt
Tawa /Pueblo
Tawhaki Oceania
Tawiri-ma-tea Maori
Tawiscara
Taygeta Greek
Taygete Greek
Tch'e-yeou China
Teashub Anatolia
Tecciztecatl Aztec
Techne Greek
Tecmessa Greek
Tefnut Egypt
Tekkeitserto /Eskimo
Telamon Greek
Telamos Greek
Telchines Greek
Telecleia Greek
Teledamos Greek
Teledice Greek
Telegonus Greek
Telemachus Greek
Telephassa Greek
Telephus Greek
Telepinu Hittite
Teles Greek
Telesphorus Greek
Telesphorus Roman
Telesto Greek
Telete Greek
Tellus Mater Roman
Telphusa Greek
Telphusia Greek
Tempestates Roman
Tengri Mongolia
Tengu Japan
Teoyaomqui Aztec
Tepeyollotl Aztec
Tepoztecatl Aztec
Tereus Greek
Terminus Roman
Terpsichore Greek
Tesana Roman
Tethys Greek
Teucer Greek
Teutates Celtic
Tezcatlipoca Aztec
Thalassa Greek
Thaleja Greek
Thalia Greek
Thallo Greek
Thalna Roman
Thamyris Greek
Thanatos Greek
Thaumas Greek
Theban Pantheon Egypt
Thebe Greek
Theia Greek
Theisoa Greek
Thelchtereia Greek
Thelxiepeia Greek
Themis Greek
Themisto Greek
Themisto Greek
Theophane Greek
Therimachos Greek
Thermia Roman
Thersites Greek
Theseus Greek
Thespius Greek
Thessalos Greek
Thetis Greek
Thiassi Norse
Thoë Greek
Thoeë Greek
Thokk Norse
Tho-og Tibet
Thoon Greek
Thoosa Greek
Thor Norse
Thoth Egypt
Thrasymedes Greek
Thriae Greek
Thrud Germanic
Thrym Germanic
Thunderbird
Thunderbolt Multi
Thunor Germanic
Thyestes Greek
Thyia Greek
Thyrsus Greek
Tiamat Babylonian
Tiberinus Roman
Tieholtsodi /Navajo
T'ien Fei China
Tien Mu China
Tiki Oceania
Tilo Mozambique/Africa
Tinia Roman
Tinirau Polynesia
Tiphys Greek
Tirawa Atius /Pawnee
Tiresias Greek
Tishtrya Iran
Tisiphone Greek
Titanides, The Greek
Titanis Greek
Titans Greek
Tithonus Greek
Tityus Greek
Tiwaz Germanic
Tlaloc Aztec
Tlazolteotl Aztec
Tñairgin Russia
Tobadzistsini /Navajo
Tohil Maya
Tokoloshi Africa
Tomituka Australia
Tonantzin Aztec
Tonatiuh /Nahuatl
To'nenile /Navajo
Top&eacutetine Peru
Torone Greek
Tozi Aztec
Triglav Slavonic
Triton Greek
Tritopatores Greek
Trivia Roman
Troll Iceland
True Jaguar Maya
Tsai Shen China
Ts'an Nu China
Ts'ang Chien China
Tsao Chun China
Tsao-Wang China
Tsehub MidEast
Tsentsa /Huron
T'shai-Shen China
Tsichtinako /Acoma
Tsilah Haiti
Tsohanoai /Navajo
Tsuki-yomi Japan
Tu Oceania
Tu Maori
Tuatha Dé Danann Celtic
Tuchulcha Roman
Tuetatesa Gaul
Tuli Oceania
Tulsi India
Tung Chun China
T'ung Chung-chung China
T'ung Lai-yu China
Tung Lu China
T'ung Ming China
Tunkan Ingan /Dakota
Tuoni Finland
Turan Roman/Etruscan
Turi-a-faumea Polynesia
Tursa Roman
Tuulikki Finland
Tvashtar Hindu
Tyche Greek
Tylwyth Celtic
Typhon Greek
Tyr Norse
Tzu-ku China
Ua[goddess] Egypt
Uadjet[goddess] Egypt
Uat[goddess] Egypt
Udjat Egypt
Ucalegon Greek
Uchtsiti American Indian
Udaios Greek
Ui Tongo[goddess] Tibet
Uitzilopochtli Aztec
Uka no Mitanna[goddess] Japan
Uke-mochi[goddess] Japan
Ukko Finland
Ukupanipo Hawaii
Ulgen Siberia
Ull Norse
Ulysses Greek
Uma[goddess] Hindu
Umbria Roman
Umi nal-gami[goddess] Okinawa
Umm s-Subyan[goddess] Egypt
Umvelinqangi Zulu/Africa
Unen-em-hetep[goddess] Egypt
Ungamilia[goddess] Australia
Unkulunkulu Africa
Uni[goddess] Roman
Unxia[goddess] Roman
Urania[goddess] Greek
Uranus Greek
Urd[goddess] Scandinavia
Urien Celtic
Urjani[goddess] Hindu
Ursule[goddess] Haiti
Urt-hekau[goddess] Egypt
Ushas[goddess] India
Uso-Dori[goddess] Japan
Utgard Norse
Uther Pendragon Celtic
Utixo Africa
Utnapishtim Babylonian
Utu Sumerian
Uzume[goddess] Japan
Vach[goddess] Hindu
Vacuna[goddess] Roman
Vahagn Armenia
Valeria[goddess] Roman
Valetudo Roman
Vali Norse
Vanir Norse
Vanth[goddess] Roman
Var[goddess] Norse
Varuna Hindu
Vata India
Vaticanus Roman
Vayu Hindu
Veiovis Roman
Veles Russia
Venilia[goddess] Roman
Venus[goddess] Roman
Vergiliae, The[goddess] Roman
Veritas[goddess] Roman
Verplaca[goddess] Roman
Venticordia[goddess] Roman
Vertumnus Roman
Vesna Slavic
Vesta[goddess] Roman
Victoria[goddess] Roman
Vidar Norse
Vierge[goddess] Haiti
Viracocha Inca
Virbius Roman
Virginia[goddess] Roman
Virgo Virginensis[goddess] Roman
Virilis[goddess] Roman
Virtus[goddess] Roman
Vishnu Hindu
Vishvakarman Hindu
Visvamitra India
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Vivasvat India
Volturnus Roman
Volumna[goddess] Roman
Voluptas[goddess] Roman
Vor[goddess] Norse
Vritra India
Vulcan Roman Wa[goddess] China
Waghai Devi[goddess] India
Wahini-Hal[goddess] Polynesia
Wah-Kah-Nee[goddess] AmerIndian
Wak Africa
Wakahirume[goddess] Japan
Wakan-Tanka AmerIndian
Waldmichen[goddess] Germanic
Walo[goddess] Australia
Walutahanga[goddess] Melanesia
Wamara Africa
Wang Ta-hsien China
Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang[goddess] China
Wantu Su Africa
Waramurungundi[goddess] Australia
Wari-Ma-Te-Takere[goddess] Polynesia
Wati Australia
Wave Maidens[goddess] Scandinavia
Wawalag Sisters[goddess] Australia
Weiwobo[goddess] China
Wele Africa
Wen-ch'ang China
Were Africa
Whaitiri[goddess] Polynesia
White Buffalo Woman[goddess] AmerIndian
Wigan[goddess] Philippines
Windigo AmerIndian
Winonah[goddess] AmerIndian
Wisagatcak American Indian
Wodan Germanic
Woto Africa
Wuluwaid Australia
Wuragag Australia
Wuriupranili[goddess] Australia
Wurrunna Australia
Wurusemu[goddess] Hittite
Wu-tai Yuan-shuai China
Xanthippe[goddess] Greek
Xantho[goddess] Greek
Xanthus Xanthos Greek
Xatel-Ekwa[goddess] Hungary
Xenia[goddess] Greek
Xenodamos Greek
Xenodike[goddess] Greek
Xeviosou Africa
Xibalba Maya
Xi Hou[goddess] China
Xilonen[goddess] Aztec
Xipe Totec Aztec
Xiuhtecuhtli Aztec
Xi Wangmu[goddess] China
Xiu Wenyin[goddess] China
Xmucane[goddess] Maya
Xochipili Aztec
Xochiquetzal[goddess] Aztec
Xoli-Kaltes[goddess] Hungary
Xolotl Aztec
Xpiyacoc Maya
Xpuch and Xtah[goddess] Maya
Xuthus Greek
Yabme-Akka[goddess] Scandinavian
Yacatecuhtli Aztec
Yainato-Hnneno-Mikoi[goddess] Japan
Yaluk Maya
Yam Canaan
Yama Hindu
Yama-no-kami[goddess] Japan
Yama-no-karni[goddess] Japan
Yamm Ugarit
Yangombi Africa
Yanwang China
Yaoji[goddess] China
Yaotl Aztec
Yaparamma[goddess] India
Yarih MidEast
Yarilo Slavic
Yarovit Slavic
Yaya-Zakurai[goddess] Japan
Yayu India
Yebaad[goddess] Navajo
Yeba Ka Navajo
Yeitso Navajo
Yemanja Imanje[goddess] Brazil
Yemaya[goddess] Caribbean
Yemayah[goddess] Africa
Yen-Lo China
Yen-Lo-Wang China
Ygg Norse
Yggdrasil Scandinavian
Yhi[goddess] Australia
Yi China
Yicattecuhtli Mexico
Yima Persia
Ymir Iceland
Ymoja[goddess] Africa
Ynakhsyt[goddess] Siberia
Yolkai Estsan[goddess] Navajo
Yondung Halmoni[goddess] Korea
Yu China
Yu Ch'iang China
Yu Huang China
Yuki-Onne[goddess] Japan
Yum-chen-mo[goddess] Tibet
Yum Cimih Maya
Yum Kaax Maya
Yun-T'ung[goddess] China
Yu-Tzu[goddess] China
Zaba Hurrite
Zababa Kish
Zacynthus Greek
Zagreus Greek
Zaka[goddess] Haiti
Zalmoxis Greek
Zam Persia
Zambi Angola/Africa
Zana[goddess] Roman
Zanahary Zanaharibe Madagascar
Zaoshen China
Zaramama[goddess] Peru
Zaria Slavic
Zarpandit[goddess] Assyro-Babylonian
Zarathustra Persia
Zasster-madmar-mo[goddess] Tibet
Zatavu Madagascar
Zazavavindrano[goddess] Madagascar
Zelus Greek
Zeme[goddess] Russia
Zempat Prussia
Zemyna[goddess] Lithuania
Zephyrus Greek
Zetes and Calais Greek
Zethus and Amphion Greek
Zeus Greek
Zeuxippe[goddess] Greek
Zeuxo[goddess] Greek
Zhang Xi[goddess] China
Zhinu[goddess] China
Zhongguei China
Zigu Shen[goddess] China
Zinkibaru Africa
Zipaltonal[goddess] Nicaragua
Zirna[goddess] Roman
Zisa[goddess] German
Zisun[goddess] China
Ziusudra Sumerian
Ziva Siva[goddess] Slavic
Zizilia[goddess] Russia
Zonget[goddess] Siberia
Zorya[goddess] Slavic
Zu Imdugud Assyria
Zumiang Nui[goddess] India
Zurvan Persia
Zvezda Dennitsa[goddess] Slavic
Zvoruna[goddess] Lithuania
Zywie[goddess] Russia
ACOHANTA Goddess of Direction.
ARADIA Goddess who protects all
CHIMA Goddess of Love and Beauty
CORI God of the Sun
IROSA Goddess of the Moon
ISIS Goddess who Protects health during Surgery
JORECH God of Exchange, monetary and trade
JUNIPERUS God of Healing
MAITZ God of Battle
MINIERVA Goddess of Procrastination
NARVOR God of Time
ROSSONO God of the Arts
SEVRAYA Goddess of the Rainbow
SYAN God who guides men
TORNIN God of Learning
TRICHOR God of Balance
VENEXA Goddess who guides women
ZANURAYE Goddess who Guides Female Teenagers
ZANURON God who Guides Male Teenagers
ZIMIA Goddess who Guides Female Children
ZIMIAN God who Guides Male Children
ZORAYAN God of Change. Also takes souls from dead physical bodies and
brings them to the astral world.
Post by Griz
ZORUCHEN God/ess who Guards Babies
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with thanks and aclnowledgements to:

Bill Mech
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j w <john_w@yahoo.com>
2004-10-08 18:58:46 UTC
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:44:20 -0400, "Abby" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Post by Abby
Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?
Remember that no person is a path to or an icon of God; other than Christ
Jesus. Followers of Christ aspire to be perfect even as the Father is
perfect, but for now we are still tied to flesh who's nature is to be
imperfect -- and to look to others for comparison or corroboration of
ourselves. Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on. It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either.
But
if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.
Rather than looking for and accentuating the flaws in others -- a rather
undemanding process indicating our eyes are more on people -- we should have
our eyes upon Christ.
Now that I have read further down, Griz, I have to disagree even more.
Jesus and Paul also taught us to discern the real from the false, and
to protect the flock. What did He instruct Peter to do? "Protect my
sheep." That was not a call to arms for Peter. It was a call to arms
to the church.

Paul later added, Galatians 1. Check every teaching against scripture.
Benny and the Charismatics fail the scriptural test.


jw
Post by Abby
Post by Griz
Phi 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God
in Christ Jesus.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
A perfect answer Griz. (Hope your birthday was nice)
Abby
God bless!

j w
Griz
2004-10-09 01:56:04 UTC
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Post by j w <***@yahoo.com>
Now that I have read further down, Griz, I have to disagree even more.
Jesus and Paul also taught us to discern the real from the false, and
to protect the flock. What did He instruct Peter to do? "Protect my
sheep." That was not a call to arms for Peter. It was a call to arms
to the church.
Paul later added, Galatians 1. Check every teaching against scripture.
Benny and the Charismatics fail the scriptural test.
Hi jw.

That is your right to disagree.
We are told to discern the real from the false -- but is this a 'trick' that
we keep to ourselves or one we are told to share?
"Protecting the sheep", like raising children, is not always about pointing
to the pitfalls. Sometimes, it's about teaching them to use what they've
been given so they might discern the pitfalls for themselves.

And I would re-iterate that if Benny's teaching is as foul as everyone is
saying, then those who truly are His sheep will not need us shouting
"BEWARE". As they measure the fruits manifest, the Spirit will make it
clear whatever it may be they are facing.

We need to guard against the spirit that would have us so hot to point out
the trespasses of others, that we do not see the danger that we ourselves
may be guilty of in our zeal to stand up as their absolute judge.

Yours in Christ,

Griz
j w <john_w@yahoo.com>
2004-10-09 04:28:34 UTC
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On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:56:04 -0400, "Griz" <***@cois.no-no.on.ca>
wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Post by Griz
Post by j w <***@yahoo.com>
Now that I have read further down, Griz, I have to disagree even more.
Jesus and Paul also taught us to discern the real from the false, and
to protect the flock. What did He instruct Peter to do? "Protect my
sheep." That was not a call to arms for Peter. It was a call to arms
to the church.
Paul later added, Galatians 1. Check every teaching against scripture.
Benny and the Charismatics fail the scriptural test.
Hi jw.
That is your right to disagree.
Thanks.
Post by Griz
We are told to discern the real from the false -- but is this a 'trick' that
we keep to ourselves or one we are told to share?
I told you and the entire group.
Post by Griz
"Protecting the sheep", like raising children, is not always about pointing
to the pitfalls.
True, but it includes that.

Sometimes, it's about teaching them to use what they've
Post by Griz
been given so they might discern the pitfalls for themselves.
I was not addressing pentecostal/pretenders who are already so deep
and so brainwashed/and so possessed already that they are beyond
reach. I WAS addressing YOU, in hopes that if you are looking in the
direction of the pretender movement,you will have 2nd thoughts, if you
trust others who may know more than you ( I apparently do on this
topic).

It's one thing to give one the benefit of the doubt. (1 Cor 13)
It's another to knowingly OR unknowingly dally and play in Satan's
backyard.

Those who don't know Benny and the gang are on the other side need to
at least have that pointed out, and with my knowledge of that
particular Satanic cult, to not speak out with the knowledge I have
would be to fail in my God-given duties as a minister of the gospel.

You have your ministry(ies); I have mine. One of mine is fighting the
cults, ala Hank Hannegraff and his mentor, Dr. Walter R Martin ("The
Kingdom of the Cults") whom I met.

One thing you may be unaware of is that Dr. Martin himself was a
pretender in disguise. The one anti-Christ cult he FAILED to put in
his book was the real nature of the Pentecostal movement.

However God used Martin and his book to at least warn people about the
OTHER cults (Christian Science, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc)
Post by Griz
And I would re-iterate that if Benny's teaching is as foul as everyone is
saying, then those who truly are His sheep will not need us shouting
"BEWARE".
You are assuming incorrectly that they aren't being possessed by the
THOUSANDS through his ministry. And if they are being taught to ignore
the Bible and listen only to HIM, then they are powerless.

As I said, I was not addressing pretenders. They are generally beyond
my / the gospel's reach, much as the Roman Catholics are, which proves
a connection between the Pretenders and the RCC: both are demonic.

As they measure the fruits manifest, the Spirit will make it
Post by Griz
clear whatever it may be they are facing.
Nonsense. Satan is as capable of performing miracles as is the Holy
Spirit. And the pretenders are not taught to differentiate one from
the other.

Did you not see, or did you disregard, my post to you about "being
Slain in the spirit?" which is a demonic activity, and NOT the Holy
Spirit (having seen this phenomenon a hundred times close up, I know.)
Post by Griz
We need to guard against the spirit that would have us so hot to point out
the trespasses of others, that we do not see the danger that we ourselves
may be guilty of in our zeal to stand up as their absolute judge.
Galatians 1. Do not accept ANY substitutes for the real things.

And when they are pushing "sign gifts" which only the apostles had...
they aren't for real.

2 Cor 12:12 The things that mark an apostle--signs, wonders and
miracles--were done among you with great perseverance. 13 How were you
inferior to the other churches, except that I was never a burden to
you? Forgive me this wrong!

As close as we've been sculpturally thus far, I am frankly at a loss
as to how you have apparently been sucked in by this cult.

jw
Post by Griz
Yours in Christ,
Griz
God bless!

j w
brachypodium
2004-10-07 23:10:41 UTC
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Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?<
But Christians correct flaws when they are pointed out. Satanists like Griz
make excuses.
Abby
2004-10-08 00:55:20 UTC
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Post by brachypodium
Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?<
But Christians correct flaws when they are pointed out. Satanists like
Griz make excuses.
LOL! You need to go googling a bit. You are a very confused person!

Abby
brachypodium
2004-10-08 09:04:46 UTC
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Post by brachypodium
Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?<
But Christians correct flaws when they are pointed out. Satanists like
Griz make excuses.
LOL! You need to go googling a bit.<
I have. Griz is a piece of excrement, and so are you.
Griz
2004-10-08 11:02:52 UTC
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Post by brachypodium
But Christians correct flaws when they are pointed out. Satanists like Griz
make excuses.
Actually, it's the Holy Spirit that corrects flaws. We simply share what
the Spirit shows us, in love, in the setting of the body of Christ. Matt
7:6 comes to mind.

Us trying to "correct flaws" in others -- who are not even present here and
never have been -- is a satanic double-whammy:

1. Us pridefully trying to do that which is God's job (what, isn't the
Almighty doing a good enough job according to OUR personal standards?)
2. It also borders on slander and gossip.

How can you even hope for there to be a godly correction, when the object of
the correction is not even present -- and it is done at the expense of
another of God's edicts?!

Yours in Christ,

Griz
brachypodium
2004-10-08 11:15:33 UTC
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Post by brachypodium
But Christians correct flaws when they are pointed out. Satanists like Griz
make excuses.
Actually, it's the Holy Spirit that corrects flaws.<
But not in your case. Filth and perversion are all that remains of you.
ChuckPF
2004-10-09 03:36:28 UTC
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Post by brachypodium
Post by brachypodium
But Christians correct flaws when they are pointed out. Satanists like Griz
make excuses.
Actually, it's the Holy Spirit that corrects flaws.<
But not in your case. Filth and perversion are all that remains of you.
Onward Christian soldiers! Keep fighting, y'all, gives us trolls something
to smile about!
brachypodium
2004-10-09 13:40:53 UTC
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Post by ChuckPF
Post by brachypodium
Post by brachypodium
But Christians correct flaws when they are pointed out. Satanists like Griz
make excuses.
Actually, it's the Holy Spirit that corrects flaws.<
But not in your case. Filth and perversion are all that remains of you.
Onward Christian soldiers! Keep fighting, y'all, gives us trolls something
to smile about!<
Will you keep smiling, though?
ChuckPF
2004-10-09 14:35:31 UTC
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Post by brachypodium
Post by ChuckPF
Post by brachypodium
Post by brachypodium
But Christians correct flaws when they are pointed out. Satanists like Griz
make excuses.
Actually, it's the Holy Spirit that corrects flaws.<
But not in your case. Filth and perversion are all that remains of you.
Onward Christian soldiers! Keep fighting, y'all, gives us trolls
something to smile about!
Will you keep smiling, though?
I'll do my best. Especially if I can ever win the Usenet Troll of the Month
award.




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2004-10-09 14:03:31 UTC
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Post by Griz
Post by brachypodium
But Christians correct flaws when they are pointed out. Satanists like Griz
make excuses.
Actually, it's the Holy Spirit that corrects flaws. We simply share what
the Spirit shows us, in love, in the setting of the body of Christ. Matt
7:6 comes to mind.
Us trying to "correct flaws" in others -- who are not even present here and
1. Us pridefully trying to do that which is God's job (what, isn't the
Almighty doing a good enough job according to OUR personal standards?)
2. It also borders on slander and gossip.
How can you even hope for there to be a godly correction, when the object of
the correction is not even present -- and it is done at the expense of
another of God's edicts?!
Yours in Christ,
Griz
Christians "correct" flaws by the proper use of Scripture. . .

2 Tim 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly
equipped for every good work.

Verse 16 says it pretty clearly.

2 Tim 4:1-5
I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will
judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2
Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince,
rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time
will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to
their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up
for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the
truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all
things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your
ministry.

Verse 2 tells us how. Verse 3 tells us why.

Pretty straight-forward.

in Christ Jesus,
Christian
pedro
2004-10-08 01:30:26 UTC
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Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?
Remember that no person is a path to or an icon of God; other than Christ
Jesus. Followers of Christ aspire to be perfect even as the Father is
perfect, but for now we are still tied to flesh who's nature is to be
imperfect -- and to look to others for comparison or corroboration of
ourselves. Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on. It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either. But
if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.
Rather than looking for and accentuating the flaws in others -- a rather
undemanding process indicating our eyes are more on people -- we should have
our eyes upon Christ.
Phi 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God
in Christ Jesus.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
Benny Hinn is well known as a fraud, who preys on vulnerable and
desperate ppl, and his organization is nothing more than a money making
machine. The fist link on his website is one to donate money! Even the
skip flash intro links ('skip once', 'skip always') take you directly to
a donations page. Easy to see what his priority is. To my knowledge
there is not one documented case of him ever curing anybody.



rgds,

Pete
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Abby
2004-10-08 01:41:51 UTC
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Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?
Remember that no person is a path to or an icon of God; other than Christ
Jesus. Followers of Christ aspire to be perfect even as the Father is
perfect, but for now we are still tied to flesh who's nature is to be
imperfect -- and to look to others for comparison or corroboration of
ourselves. Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on. It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either.
But
if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.
Rather than looking for and accentuating the flaws in others -- a rather
undemanding process indicating our eyes are more on people -- we should have
our eyes upon Christ.
Phi 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God
in Christ Jesus.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
Benny Hinn is well known as a fraud, who preys on vulnerable and desperate
ppl, and his organization is nothing more than a money making machine. The
fist link on his website is one to donate money! Even the skip flash intro
links ('skip once', 'skip always') take you directly to a donations page.
Easy to see what his priority is. To my knowledge there is not one
documented case of him ever curing anybody.
rgds,
Pete
Peter, I am ashamed to admit it, but in my younger days I actually went to
one of Hinns crusades.
I felt evil in that place so badly, we had to leave. It was downright
scary!

He ==is== a fraud. If God has given Hinn the gift or healing, why isn't he
in the hospitals? What better place is there to use it?

Yes, a fake for sure.

Abby
pedro
2004-10-08 02:06:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Abby
Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?
Remember that no person is a path to or an icon of God; other than Christ
Jesus. Followers of Christ aspire to be perfect even as the Father is
perfect, but for now we are still tied to flesh who's nature is to be
imperfect -- and to look to others for comparison or corroboration of
ourselves. Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on. It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either.
But
if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.
Rather than looking for and accentuating the flaws in others -- a rather
undemanding process indicating our eyes are more on people -- we should have
our eyes upon Christ.
Phi 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God
in Christ Jesus.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
Benny Hinn is well known as a fraud, who preys on vulnerable and desperate
ppl, and his organization is nothing more than a money making machine. The
fist link on his website is one to donate money! Even the skip flash intro
links ('skip once', 'skip always') take you directly to a donations page.
Easy to see what his priority is. To my knowledge there is not one
documented case of him ever curing anybody.
rgds,
Pete
Peter, I am ashamed to admit it, but in my younger days I actually went to
one of Hinns crusades.
I felt evil in that place so badly, we had to leave. It was downright
scary!
He ==is== a fraud. If God has given Hinn the gift or healing, why isn't he
in the hospitals? What better place is there to use it?
Yes, a fake for sure.
Abby
Thanks Abby. I was/am expecting to cop a bit of flak from that post. But
you are absolutely right. He could be healing where it is most needed,
if he were genuine. He doesn't need a stage, and a multi-million dollar
organization to do it. Once the word got out that he *was* healing ppl,
there would be a queue a mile long. And one could also say that if Jesus
want's to heal someone, he doesn't need to use a Benny Hinn to do it.



rgds,

Pete
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'I started out with nothing and I still have most of it left'
Bob
2004-10-08 04:56:41 UTC
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Post by pedro
Post by Abby
Peter, I am ashamed to admit it, but in my younger days I actually went to
one of Hinns crusades.
I felt evil in that place so badly, we had to leave. It was downright
scary!
He ==is== a fraud. If God has given Hinn the gift or healing, why isn't he
in the hospitals? What better place is there to use it?
Yes, a fake for sure.
Abby
Thanks Abby. I was/am expecting to cop a bit of flak from that post. But
you are absolutely right. He could be healing where it is most needed,
if he were genuine. He doesn't need a stage, and a multi-million dollar
organization to do it. Once the word got out that he *was* healing ppl,
there would be a queue a mile long. And one could also say that if Jesus
want's to heal someone, he doesn't need to use a Benny Hinn to do it.
Right again Pete, as usual. My mother in law actually had a xerox copy
of Oral Roberts hand mailed to her once by a well-meaning friend to be
applied to the place that hurt. Quelle merde!
r***@romath.net
2004-10-08 04:59:18 UTC
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Post by pedro
Post by Abby
Peter, I am ashamed to admit it, but in my younger days I actually went to
one of Hinns crusades.
I felt evil in that place so badly, we had to leave. It was downright
scary!
He ==is== a fraud. If God has given Hinn the gift or healing, why isn't he
in the hospitals? What better place is there to use it?
Yes, a fake for sure.
Abby
Abby, I'm not trying to start an argument here, but when Griz
disagreed with the initial poster, you agreed that he had posted an
excellent article; yet here, you are in agreement that Hinn is indeed
a fraud!

Which is it you are in agreement with, please?

Not arguing, just honestly wondering--
God bless :O)

keep going please!!!!
Post by pedro
Thanks Abby. I was/am expecting to cop a bit of flak from that post. But
you are absolutely right. He could be healing where it is most needed,
if he were genuine. He doesn't need a stage, and a multi-million dollar
organization to do it. Once the word got out that he *was* healing ppl,
there would be a queue a mile long. And one could also say that if Jesus
want's to heal someone, he doesn't need to use a Benny Hinn to do it.
Pedro, truer words were never spoken.
Hinn IS a proven fraud, and yes indeed, IF he had any curative powers
like he falsely claims to, he would be doing the world's doctors out
of business!

And yes, Jesus certainly would not need a hinn to do HIS work.
God bless :O)
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Griz
2004-10-09 01:24:16 UTC
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Post by pedro
He could be healing where it is most needed,
if he were genuine
We need to be careful that we are not judging where and when God should
work.
Remember, there were many afflicted people at the Bethesda pool who were in
need of healing; but Jesus only reached out to one of them. Someone
watching could easily have said, "If Jesus truly is something special, then
he should have healed them all!"; then used it as a reason to talk about
him.

God reveals Himself to those who are genuinely seeking. We should focus the
spotlight upon He who is perfect -- rather than fall into the trap of
endlessly shining it upon those who are not perfect.

Yours in Christ,

Griz
Bob
2004-10-08 04:52:45 UTC
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Post by Abby
Peter, I am ashamed to admit it, but in my younger days I actually went to
one of Hinns crusades.
I felt evil in that place so badly, we had to leave. It was downright
scary!
He ==is== a fraud. If God has given Hinn the gift or healing, why isn't he
in the hospitals? What better place is there to use it?
Some of his people came to my wife as she lay on her death bed and
berated her for her lack of faith and unwillingness (inability really) to
get up and go see him. If they hadn't been women I'd have beat the snot out
of them. If you have ever seen a Scotsman go berserk you know what danger
they were in...........
Post by Abby
Yes, a fake for sure.
Abby
Sensei Shaolin
2004-10-08 14:45:07 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Abby
Peter, I am ashamed to admit it, but in my younger days I actually went to
one of Hinns crusades.
I felt evil in that place so badly, we had to leave. It was downright
scary!
He ==is== a fraud. If God has given Hinn the gift or healing, why isn't
he
Post by Abby
in the hospitals? What better place is there to use it?
Some of his people came to my wife as she lay on her death bed and
berated her for her lack of faith and unwillingness (inability really) to
get up and go see him. If they hadn't been women I'd have beat the snot out
of them. If you have ever seen a Scotsman go berserk you know what danger
they were in...........
That is one of the most disgusting stories I've ever heard about Mr.
Hinn and his followers. I feel ill in my stomach after reading that
and I feel sorry that you would have to experience that. Your
restraint in that situation is admirable!

Unfortunately, you will have people like Griz who will respond in a
typical red-herring fashion and ultimately accuse you of telling such
a story. Your post will be twisted in such a way so that you will be
accused of character assassination.
Bob
2004-10-08 16:45:35 UTC
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Post by Sensei Shaolin
Post by Bob
Post by Abby
Peter, I am ashamed to admit it, but in my younger days I actually went to
one of Hinns crusades.
I felt evil in that place so badly, we had to leave. It was downright
scary!
He ==is== a fraud. If God has given Hinn the gift or healing, why isn't
he
Post by Abby
in the hospitals? What better place is there to use it?
Some of his people came to my wife as she lay on her death bed and
berated her for her lack of faith and unwillingness (inability really) to
get up and go see him. If they hadn't been women I'd have beat the snot out
of them. If you have ever seen a Scotsman go berserk you know what danger
they were in...........
That is one of the most disgusting stories I've ever heard about Mr.
Hinn and his followers. I feel ill in my stomach after reading that
and I feel sorry that you would have to experience that. Your
restraint in that situation is admirable!
Unfortunately, you will have people like Griz who will respond in a
typical red-herring fashion and ultimately accuse you of telling such
a story. Your post will be twisted in such a way so that you will be
accused of character assassination.
I don't believe Griz will do any such thing. Do you two have a history?
Abby
2004-10-08 18:50:58 UTC
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Post by Abby
Post by Sensei Shaolin
Post by Bob
Post by Abby
Peter, I am ashamed to admit it, but in my younger days I actually
went to
Post by Sensei Shaolin
Post by Bob
Post by Abby
one of Hinns crusades.
I felt evil in that place so badly, we had to leave. It was downright
scary!
He ==is== a fraud. If God has given Hinn the gift or healing, why
isn't
Post by Sensei Shaolin
Post by Bob
he
Post by Abby
in the hospitals? What better place is there to use it?
Some of his people came to my wife as she lay on her death bed and
berated her for her lack of faith and unwillingness (inability really)
to
Post by Sensei Shaolin
Post by Bob
get up and go see him. If they hadn't been women I'd have beat the snot
out
Post by Sensei Shaolin
Post by Bob
of them. If you have ever seen a Scotsman go berserk you know what
danger
Post by Sensei Shaolin
Post by Bob
they were in...........
That is one of the most disgusting stories I've ever heard about Mr.
Hinn and his followers. I feel ill in my stomach after reading that
and I feel sorry that you would have to experience that. Your
restraint in that situation is admirable!
Unfortunately, you will have people like Griz who will respond in a
typical red-herring fashion and ultimately accuse you of telling such
a story. Your post will be twisted in such a way so that you will be
accused of character assassination.
I don't believe Griz will do any such thing. Do you two have a history?
Robert, I am thinking this is Sensible2 me using another nick to get around
KF.

Abbs
Bob
2004-10-08 19:33:07 UTC
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Post by Abby
Robert, I am thinking this is Sensible2 me using another nick to get around
KF.
Sensei is the martial arts term for Master, the teacher who is running
the Dojo, or school.
Senseless2all couldn't form sentences this coherently.
::: vera :::
2004-10-09 01:56:57 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Abby
Robert, I am thinking this is Sensible2 me using another nick to get
around KF.
Sensei is the martial arts term for Master, the teacher who is
running the Dojo, or school.
Senseless2all couldn't form sentences this coherently.
I also do not agree with Abby here. Sensei is not Sensible 2me. Their way of
thinking is completely different - I have had conversations with both in the
past.

Love you all,

::: vera :::
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r***@romath.net
2004-10-08 19:50:46 UTC
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Post by Bob
Some of his people came to my wife as she lay on her death bed and
berated her for her lack of faith and unwillingness (inability really) to
get up and go see him. If they hadn't been women I'd have beat the snot out
of them. If you have ever seen a Scotsman go berserk you know what danger
they were in...........
I don't blame you for being angry for that, Bob.

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God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called
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Bob
2004-10-08 20:23:45 UTC
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Post by r***@romath.net
Post by Bob
Some of his people came to my wife as she lay on her death bed and
berated her for her lack of faith and unwillingness (inability really) to
get up and go see him. If they hadn't been women I'd have beat the snot out
of them. If you have ever seen a Scotsman go berserk you know what danger
they were in...........
I don't blame you for being angry for that, Bob.
The FREAKING ICING on that cake was that one of the two women had a
hideous deformity that I just wanted to scream at her about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY DON'T =YOU= GO GET HEALED?????????
Post by r***@romath.net
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r***@romath.net
2004-10-09 05:28:08 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by r***@romath.net
Post by Bob
Some of his people came to my wife as she lay on her death bed and
berated her for her lack of faith and unwillingness (inability really) to
get up and go see him. If they hadn't been women I'd have beat the snot
out
Post by r***@romath.net
Post by Bob
of them. If you have ever seen a Scotsman go berserk you know what danger
they were in...........
I don't blame you for being angry for that, Bob.
The FREAKING ICING on that cake was that one of the two women had a
hideous deformity that I just wanted to scream at her about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY DON'T =YOU= GO GET HEALED?????????
No one can help a deformity. But hinn isn't capable of healing
anythingm regardless. He's nothing but a phony, slick-talking sham.

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JESUS IS THE ROCK
God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called
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Griz
2004-10-09 01:18:27 UTC
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Hi Abby
Post by Abby
If God has given Hinn the gift or healing, why isn't he
in the hospitals? What better place is there to use it?
We just need to be careful of trying to tell another how and where to
propery use a gift from God. Especially behind their backs. The usage of
what God has given, is between them and God. We may offer them suggestions
in the context of the body and by the leading of the Spirit -- but
discussing it on a group that they don't even frequent is too much like
gossip or maybe even slander.

So long as our eyes are on Christ, we do not need to fear fraudulent
evangelists. And we should be sharing this security with others by making
sure our lives showcase Christ. As they see Christ shine through the lives
that are committed to Him, genuine seekers will want to know Him too.
Then, they won't have anything to fear from men either!

Rather than be constantly saying, "Watch for this person" and "beware of
this bump" or "beware of this trap" . . . we should be encouraging people to
seek Christ and to develop the Spiritual discernment that God grants all of
His children.
Then they will be able to see for themselves the dips and bumps in the road,
and the traps to avoid.

Yours in Christ,

Griz
pedro
2004-10-09 04:41:13 UTC
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Post by Griz
Hi Abby
Post by Abby
If God has given Hinn the gift or healing, why isn't he
in the hospitals? What better place is there to use it?
We just need to be careful of trying to tell another how and where to
propery use a gift from God. Especially behind their backs. The usage of
what God has given, is between them and God. We may offer them suggestions
in the context of the body and by the leading of the Spirit -- but
discussing it on a group that they don't even frequent is too much like
gossip or maybe even slander.
God has not given him anything. He is a trumped up self made fraud and
charlatan. God might give him a place in hell tho! :)
Post by Griz
So long as our eyes are on Christ, we do not need to fear fraudulent
evangelists. And we should be sharing this security with others by making
sure our lives showcase Christ. As they see Christ shine through the lives
that are committed to Him, genuine seekers will want to know Him too.
Then, they won't have anything to fear from men either!
Those who prey upon the innocent, vulnerable, and desperate, should be
shut down any which way, and it's the responsibility of authorities and
of those who know of those who do so to do just that!
Post by Griz
Rather than be constantly saying, "Watch for this person" and "beware of
this bump" or "beware of this trap" . . . we should be encouraging people to
seek Christ and to develop the Spiritual discernment that God grants all of
His children.
Then they will be able to see for themselves the dips and bumps in the road,
and the traps to avoid.
Better take down all those roadside 'Stop' signs then I guess.
Post by Griz
Yours in Christ,
Griz
rgds,

Pete
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'All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand'
Griz
2004-10-09 13:11:22 UTC
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Hi Pedro
Post by pedro
God has not given him anything. He is a trumped up self made fraud and
charlatan. God might give him a place in hell tho! :)
Then what he is doing will amount to nothing -- as per the wisdom in Acts
5:34.

If he is as vile and evil as you would make him out to be, then even young
seekers will have no trouble steering clear.

But the more noise we make about him, the more might be drawn away by
curiosity.

Remember how the viewership of the Harry Potter movies was boosted by
Christians mounting campaigns to tell everyone how evil they were -- and how
the Passion of the Christ was seen by so many who normally wouldn't have,
because of all of the efforts of those speaking against it.

Personally, I believe much of this thread is of the spirit that says, "If
you can judge another, blow a warning siren and point out THEIR sins, you
will appear more holy in the eyes of many and cover over a multitude of your
own sins".
Personal opinion. I'll leave it to the Holy Spirit to confirm or deny.

Yours in Christ,

Griz
Diana
2004-10-09 15:03:30 UTC
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Post by Griz
Hi Pedro
Post by pedro
God has not given him anything. He is a trumped up
self made fraud and
charlatan. God might give him a place in hell tho! :)
Then what he is doing will amount to nothing -- as
per the wisdom in Acts
5:34.
If he is as vile and evil as you would make him out
to be, then even young
seekers will have no trouble steering clear.
But the more noise we make about him, the more might
be drawn away by
curiosity.
Remember how the viewership of the Harry Potter
movies was boosted by
Christians mounting campaigns to tell everyone how
evil they were -- and how
the Passion of the Christ was seen by so many who
normally wouldn't have,
because of all of the efforts of those speaking
against it.
Personally, I believe much of this thread is of the
spirit that says, "If
you can judge another, blow a warning siren and point
out THEIR sins, you
will appear more holy in the eyes of many and cover
over a multitude of your
own sins".
Personal opinion. I'll leave it to the Holy Spirit
to confirm or deny.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
Griz you are starting to make me like you alot. I have
always loved you but now I even like you :-) I have
enjoyed your last few days postings. THIS is the
Christian attitude I have long awaited to see. Thank
you immensely.
r***@romath.net
2004-10-09 05:28:09 UTC
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went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet
Post by Griz
So long as our eyes are on Christ, we do not need to fear fraudulent
evangelists.
Sorry, Griz, but here I MUST disagree!
Innocent people who truly love the LORD are being duped into believing
phony balonies like hinn, robertson, popov, bakker, swaggart,
etc.......
While not all claim to be healers, they are all as phony as three
dollar bills.

True seekers should be warned about such crafty individuals, don't you
think?
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JESUS IS THE ROCK
God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called
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Griz
2004-10-09 13:17:06 UTC
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Post by r***@romath.net
Post by Griz
So long as our eyes are on Christ, we do not need to fear fraudulent
evangelists.
Sorry, Griz, but here I MUST disagree!
Innocent people who truly love the LORD are being duped into believing
phony balonies like hinn, robertson, popov, bakker, swaggart,
etc.......
While not all claim to be healers, they are all as phony as three
dollar bills.
Well, if you MUST!

But answer me this:

What power or principality is able to snatch those who are Gods, out of His
hands?


None who rely on God ALONE are duped or misled. Only those who are seeking
to rely on a person other than Jesus Christ as their "intermediary" to God.
Only those seeking signs instead of the Spirit, are vulnerable.

Our job is to be pure and holy before God, so that HIS light will shine
forth from our lives as testimony of Him so there are fewer vulnerable
people willing to follow this person or that person . . .

not to make such a fuss about what someone else is doing that our own words
work to draw the curious unto them to see what all of the fuss is about.

Remember all of those who passionately sought to de-rail the Passion of the
Christ? Did they ever see that all of their ranting and raving against it,
had the exact opposite effect?!

Yours in Christ,

Griz
r***@romath.net
2004-10-09 15:13:29 UTC
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:17:06 -0400, "Griz" <***@cois.no-no.on.ca> done
went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet
Post by Griz
Post by r***@romath.net
Post by Griz
So long as our eyes are on Christ, we do not need to fear fraudulent
evangelists.
Sorry, Griz, but here I MUST disagree!
Innocent people who truly love the LORD are being duped into believing
phony balonies like hinn, robertson, popov, bakker, swaggart,
etc.......
While not all claim to be healers, they are all as phony as three
dollar bills.
Well, if you MUST!
:O)
Post by Griz
What power or principality is able to snatch those who are Gods, out of His
hands?
NONE, providing they ARE safely in His hands.
And if they truly were, they would NOT be attending such
'performances', would they?

That's what I mean, Griz.

The individuals who attend his performances in hopes of 'being healed'
are duped into believing he is capable.
TRUE Christians would know not to trust such an individual.
So those who do attend, hoping for a cure, are they, in your opinion,
really Christians, or seekers of truth, looking FOR God?
If they are seeking God, do you think they 'see God' in hinn????
He has been proven to have paid 'afflicteds' in his performances.
Post by Griz
None who rely on God ALONE are duped or misled. Only those who are seeking
to rely on a person other than Jesus Christ as their "intermediary" to God.
Only those seeking signs instead of the Spirit, are vulnerable.
Then I truly wonder for those who seek hinn's so-called 'healing'!
Post by Griz
Our job is to be pure and holy before God, so that HIS light will shine
forth from our lives as testimony of Him so there are fewer vulnerable
people willing to follow this person or that person . . .
Right, andbI agree.. but not at the expense of allowing a known
charlatan and fraud to succeed unhindered!
MORE people need to be made aware of what he truly is.... and is not.
Don't you think he and his fraudulent claims should be exposed?
How do we serve God by allow that one to go unchallenged?
Post by Griz
not to make such a fuss about what someone else is doing that our own words
work to draw the curious unto them to see what all of the fuss is about.
I think the fuss is worth it if it helps to expose a phony, Griz.

As a Christians, it is a Christian's duty to expose such false
preachers.
So, what about those who have died after one of his so=called 'healing
services'???? Do you think those people will spend their eternity in
Heavenm or in Hell?
Who did they place their trust in? Hinn? or HIM????
Post by Griz
Remember all of those who passionately sought to de-rail the Passion of the
Christ? Did they ever see that all of their ranting and raving against it,
had the exact opposite effect?!
Yours in Christ,
Griz
True. But that is a movie, and has nothing to do with self-proclaimed
'healers', Griz.

I'm not saying all of this to argue, but just prove a point.
As a Christian, I cannot and will not willingly stand by and allow
charlatans to continue unchallenged, Griz, as to me, it would not be
the Christian thing to do.

May God bless you and yours.
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JESUS IS THE ROCK
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Abby
2004-10-09 14:13:30 UTC
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Post by Griz
Hi Abby
Post by Abby
If God has given Hinn the gift or healing, why isn't he
in the hospitals? What better place is there to use it?
We just need to be careful of trying to tell another how and where to
propery use a gift from God. Especially behind their backs. The usage of
what God has given, is between them and God. We may offer them suggestions
in the context of the body and by the leading of the Spirit -- but
discussing it on a group that they don't even frequent is too much like
gossip or maybe even slander.
So long as our eyes are on Christ, we do not need to fear fraudulent
evangelists. And we should be sharing this security with others by making
sure our lives showcase Christ. As they see Christ shine through the lives
that are committed to Him, genuine seekers will want to know Him too.
Then, they won't have anything to fear from men either!
Rather than be constantly saying, "Watch for this person" and "beware of
this bump" or "beware of this trap" . . . we should be encouraging people to
seek Christ and to develop the Spiritual discernment that God grants all of
His children.
Then they will be able to see for themselves the dips and bumps in the road,
and the traps to avoid.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
God has given some of His people the gift of discernment Griz. And those
should use it as God directs them. If it is to point out people who are out
to deceive then so be it. That too, is between God and the one who is
gifted.

We have an obligation to our fellow man to encourage and protect, guide and
yes even fight for what is of God. He does not want us to be a doormat or
to stand by and watch people being taken in to a snare of Satan.

Hinn's ministry is public and so is this forum. Therefore, I do not feel
any "gossiping" is going on here.

I am surprised at your response in this Griz and I do not agree.

Abby
r***@romath.net
2004-10-09 15:30:47 UTC
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Post by Abby
God has given some of His people the gift of discernment Griz. And those
should use it as God directs them. If it is to point out people who are out
to deceive then so be it. That too, is between God and the one who is
gifted.
AMEN.
Post by Abby
We have an obligation to our fellow man to encourage and protect, guide and
yes even fight for what is of God. He does not want us to be a doormat or
to stand by and watch people being taken in to a snare of Satan.
AMEN, SISTER!! A HUGE AMEN.
Post by Abby
Hinn's ministry is public and so is this forum. Therefore, I do not feel
any "gossiping" is going on here.
I am surprised at your response in this Griz and I do not agree.
Abby
Abby, thank you for your reply, as I also strongly feel that people
seeking GOD'S TRUTHS need to be made aware of the phonies, the frauds,
the charlatans, and false prophets out in this world.

The Holy Bible tells us that there are 'black sheep' like false
teachers, false prophets, posing as messengers of God. They are really
wolves in sheep's clothing, waiting to pounce and devour anyone
gullible enough to believe their lies and false teachings.

I am certain there are some individuals in here who will be only too
willing to falsely accuse me all over again of 'being hatefilled' and
'not showing the love of Christ'.......... but let them.

I feel that the love of Christ IS showing through my efforts to expose
false teachings!! And I feel His love is showing through you also in
doing so.

May God bless :O)
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r***@romath.net
2004-10-08 04:59:17 UTC
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Post by pedro
Benny Hinn is well known as a fraud, who preys on vulnerable and
desperate ppl, and his organization is nothing more than a money making
machine. The fist link on his website is one to donate money! Even the
skip flash intro links ('skip once', 'skip always') take you directly to
a donations page. Easy to see what his priority is. To my knowledge
there is not one documented case of him ever curing anybody.
rgds,
Pete
Absolutely RIGHT ON!
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Matt
2004-10-08 20:13:01 UTC
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Post by pedro
Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?
Remember that no person is a path to or an icon of God; other than Christ
Jesus. Followers of Christ aspire to be perfect even as the Father is
perfect, but for now we are still tied to flesh who's nature is to be
imperfect -- and to look to others for comparison or corroboration of
ourselves. Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on. It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either. But
if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.
Rather than looking for and accentuating the flaws in others -- a rather
undemanding process indicating our eyes are more on people -- we should have
our eyes upon Christ.
Phi 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God
in Christ Jesus.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
Benny Hinn is well known as a fraud, who preys on vulnerable and
desperate ppl, and his organization is nothing more than a money making
machine. The fist link on his website is one to donate money! Even the
skip flash intro links ('skip once', 'skip always') take you directly to
a donations page. Easy to see what his priority is. To my knowledge
there is not one documented case of him ever curing anybody.
Pete I actually paid to go se Hinn think it cost about $125.00 I saw
the fraud and heard his actors talking and waiting for their cues to
fall down and wiggle. I also think you are right about his cures as
some people he so called cured died after being cured of what he says
he healed them of.

I personally think many TV preachers care more about money than
Christ. Talk 50 minutes about sending them money 10 minutes on
Christ. The guy with curley hair forget his name even said he could
guarantee you a place in heaven for $1000.

What did Christ do to those that used the temple for profit.

Matthew 21

11The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in
Galilee."

Jesus at the Temple

12 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and
selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the
benches of those selling doves. 13 "It is written," he said to them, "
'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a
'den of robbers. "

Matt
Post by pedro
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2004-10-09 04:41:12 UTC
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Post by pedro
Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?
Remember that no person is a path to or an icon of God; other than Christ
Jesus. Followers of Christ aspire to be perfect even as the Father is
perfect, but for now we are still tied to flesh who's nature is to be
imperfect -- and to look to others for comparison or corroboration of
ourselves. Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on. It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either. But
if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.
Rather than looking for and accentuating the flaws in others -- a rather
undemanding process indicating our eyes are more on people -- we should have
our eyes upon Christ.
Phi 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God
in Christ Jesus.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
Benny Hinn is well known as a fraud, who preys on vulnerable and
desperate ppl, and his organization is nothing more than a money making
machine. The fist link on his website is one to donate money! Even the
skip flash intro links ('skip once', 'skip always') take you directly to
a donations page. Easy to see what his priority is. To my knowledge
there is not one documented case of him ever curing anybody.
Pete I actually paid to go see Hinn think it cost about $125.00
That should have told you something right there.
I saw
the fraud and heard his actors talking and waiting for their cues to
fall down and wiggle. I also think you are right about his cures as
some people he so called cured died after being cured of what he says
he healed them of.
He had one of his crusades (or whatever they're called) here a couple of
years ago, and one of the current affair shows did an exposé on it. But
they couldn't get near any of his ppl, staff, admin, etc., - he had wall
to wall security. But they did manage to film rows of armoured cars all
lined up waiting to take the money away. And they also did a follow up
on some ppl he claimed to have cured, after a month or two, and none were.
I personally think many TV preachers care more about money than
Christ. Talk 50 minutes about sending them money 10 minutes on
Christ. The guy with curley hair forget his name even said he could
guarantee you a place in heaven for $1000.
What did Christ do to those that used the temple for profit.
Matthew 21
11The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in
Galilee."
Jesus at the Temple
12 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and
selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the
benches of those selling doves. 13 "It is written," he said to them, "
'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a
'den of robbers. "
Yep. All good thoughts.
Matt
rgds,

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2004-10-09 12:39:06 UTC
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Post by pedro
Post by pedro
Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?
Remember that no person is a path to or an icon of God; other than Christ
Jesus. Followers of Christ aspire to be perfect even as the Father is
perfect, but for now we are still tied to flesh who's nature is to be
imperfect -- and to look to others for comparison or corroboration of
ourselves. Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on. It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either. But
if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.
Rather than looking for and accentuating the flaws in others -- a rather
undemanding process indicating our eyes are more on people -- we should have
our eyes upon Christ.
Phi 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God
in Christ Jesus.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
Benny Hinn is well known as a fraud, who preys on vulnerable and
desperate ppl, and his organization is nothing more than a money making
machine. The fist link on his website is one to donate money! Even the
skip flash intro links ('skip once', 'skip always') take you directly to
a donations page. Easy to see what his priority is. To my knowledge
there is not one documented case of him ever curing anybody.
Pete I actually paid to go see Hinn think it cost about $125.00
That should have told you something right there.
Actually it did, but a friend who liked Hinn wanted to go. He would
not have gone alone as he hates large crowds. Some good came out of
it that made it worthwhile my friend no longer likes or respects Hinn.
He ca now find a minister that he can respect and learn from not just
take out his check book for.
Post by pedro
I saw
the fraud and heard his actors talking and waiting for their cues to
fall down and wiggle. I also think you are right about his cures as
some people he so called cured died after being cured of what he says
he healed them of.
He had one of his crusades (or whatever they're called) here a couple of
years ago, and one of the current affair shows did an exposé on it. But
they couldn't get near any of his ppl, staff, admin, etc., - he had wall
to wall security. But they did manage to film rows of armoured cars all
lined up waiting to take the money away. And they also did a follow up
on some ppl he claimed to have cured, after a month or two, and none were.
Frauds have always done this. They seem to spend more on security
than they do to spread Christ word. Think about what a fake healing
would do to a persons faith.

I even got a fake message on this NG from him :-)

http://www.google.com/groups?q=benny+hinn+%22matt%22+group:alt.christnet.christianlife&start=30&hl=en&lr=&scoring=d&selm=b51700t7njmgn5d2a4ltou031ns450e0oh%404ax.com&rnum=31

"Dear Mr. Brooks,
I am disheartened that you would slander me in this manner. I
normally do not respond to these accusations but your postings and
request to participate in this forum caught my attention. I ask that
you stop.

May the Lord bless you and keep you.

Benny Hinn"


I found it interesting that he objected to me being in the forum of
ACC.

God Bless

Matt
Post by pedro
I personally think many TV preachers care more about money than
Christ. Talk 50 minutes about sending them money 10 minutes on
Christ. The guy with curley hair forget his name even said he could
guarantee you a place in heaven for $1000.
What did Christ do to those that used the temple for profit.
Matthew 21
11The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in
Galilee."
Jesus at the Temple
12 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and
selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the
benches of those selling doves. 13 "It is written," he said to them, "
'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a
'den of robbers. "
Yep. All good thoughts.
Matt
rgds,
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2004-10-09 15:36:35 UTC
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On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 08:39:06 -0400, Matt <***@alt-Christianlife.com>
done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet
Post by Matt
I found it interesting that he objected to me being in the forum of
ACC.
God Bless
Matt
Are you sure it was hinn? It could well have een a forgery, something
some individuals in the Baptist and alt.christnet.public groups are
famouse for lately..........

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pedro
2004-10-09 16:24:59 UTC
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Post by r***@romath.net
done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet
Post by Matt
I found it interesting that he objected to me being in the forum of
ACC.
God Bless
Matt
Are you sure it was hinn? It could well have een a forgery, something
some individuals in the Baptist and alt.christnet.public groups are
famouse for lately..........
My thoughts also. I doubt that BH would be monitoring these forums.
Post by r***@romath.net
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rgds,

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If you give up the right to remain silent,
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2004-10-09 22:32:56 UTC
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Post by pedro
Post by r***@romath.net
done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet
Post by Matt
I found it interesting that he objected to me being in the forum of
ACC.
God Bless
Matt
Are you sure it was hinn? It could well have een a forgery, something
some individuals in the Baptist and alt.christnet.public groups are
famouse for lately..........
My thoughts also. I doubt that BH would be monitoring these forums.
No I also doubt it. I said it was a fake message. Hinn would have
sent a certified letter from his lawyer :-))

Matt
Post by pedro
Post by r***@romath.net
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pedro
2004-10-10 08:22:03 UTC
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Post by Matt
Post by pedro
Post by r***@romath.net
done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet
Post by Matt
I found it interesting that he objected to me being in the forum of
ACC.
God Bless
Matt
Are you sure it was hinn? It could well have een a forgery, something
some individuals in the Baptist and alt.christnet.public groups are
famouse for lately..........
My thoughts also. I doubt that BH would be monitoring these forums.
No I also doubt it. I said it was a fake message. Hinn would have
sent a certified letter from his lawyer :-))
.. together with a summons for unspecified damages! lol!
Post by Matt
Matt
Post by pedro
Post by r***@romath.net
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2004-10-09 22:30:21 UTC
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Post by r***@romath.net
done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet
Post by Matt
I found it interesting that he objected to me being in the forum of
ACC.
God Bless
Matt
Are you sure it was hinn? It could well have een a forgery, something
some individuals in the Baptist and alt.christnet.public groups are
famouse for lately..........
I'm sorry Yes it was a forgery it was written from the tampa bay area
of Florida.

Matt
Post by r***@romath.net
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r***@romath.net
2004-10-09 05:28:10 UTC
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On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 16:13:01 -0400, Matt
Post by Matt
Pete I actually paid to go se Hinn think it cost about $125.00 I saw
the fraud and heard his actors talking and waiting for their cues to
fall down and wiggle.
What else is new?
For those ridiculous performances of hinn's, he should be paying the
public to watch it!

There was a documentary on phony 'faith healers' that I saw on TV.
Really interesting!!
It discussed what you mentioned above, and also Peter Popov wearing a
mini-hearing-aid to hear his wife's comments to the 'afflicted'....
automatically, he would hear his wife's whispers about 'someone has a
broken bone in their leg' ... or 'someone has a hearing deficit'......

What a scam!
Post by Matt
I also think you are right about his cures as
some people he so called cured died after being cured of what he says
he healed them of.
The problem is, these people are made sign a waiver that releases the
scammers from any and all responsibility, should anything unforseen
or untoward occur after the 'healing services'......... so they have
no recourse, unfortunately.
Post by Matt
I personally think many TV preachers care more about money than
Christ. Talk 50 minutes about sending them money 10 minutes on
Christ. The guy with curley hair forget his name even said he could
guarantee you a place in heaven for $1000.
You betcha, Matt. They DO care about money 99.9 %. The only care they
have for Christ is to mention His name in their scam in order to try
to make themselves appear credible, and that's sad how they get away
with it.
Post by Matt
What did Christ do to those that used the temple for profit.
Threw 'em out!!!!! And HE was right!!
Post by Matt
Matthew 21
11The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in
Galilee."
Jesus at the Temple
12 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and
selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the
benches of those selling doves. 13 "It is written," he said to them, "
'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a
'den of robbers. "
Matt
You betcha, Matt.
Good post!! :O)

God bless
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Griz
2004-10-09 01:10:48 UTC
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Hi Pedro
Post by pedro
Benny Hinn is well known as a fraud, who preys on vulnerable and
desperate ppl, and his organization is nothing more than a money making
machine. The fist link on his website is one to donate money!
If he is so well known, then we shouldn't need to tarry on this subject for
too long!
I think that rather than focus our attention upon those who may or may not
be misleading the vulnerable, we would do better to focus our attention upon
those of vulnerable heart who are actually in our presence: showing with
our lives dedicated to Christ, how to be strong in Him.

Just remember:

Mar 9:38 John said to Him, "Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in
Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us."
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, "Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will
perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of
Me.
Mar 9:40 "For he who is not against us is for us.
Mar 9:41 "For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because of your
name as followers of Christ, truly I say to you, he will not lose his
reward.

The thing about true seekers of Christ, is that they are not seeking people
to put up on pedistals for veneration. When people's eyes are on Christ,
what they share is not of them but of Christ -- and will stand as such. We
can see that the person was simply a vessel and the message was "of God".
When people's eyes are on themselves, then what they share is of themselves
and it will not stand up before even marginal discernment. When people
cannot relate to God themselves, they look for someone to do it for them by
proxy. The evil is not whatever person they may elect to put up on a
pedistal -- but that their hearts are in such a state of misleading that
they would feel that they need to put a servant (other than Christ) up into
a place of honour and experience God through them.

I would simply suggest that rather than talk about people behind their backs
who are not here and never come here, we could better spend our time talking
about Christ and showcasing the hope that we have in Him.
To talk about an alleged fraud, should be become confirmed slanderers or
gossips? Should we sin while pointing out where another (who is in
absence) may have sinned?

BTW the second link on Chuck Swindol's website is to donate.
I don't think we can use placement of links as a true measure of whether a
person is genuine or not.

Yours in Christ,

Griz
pedro
2004-10-09 04:41:13 UTC
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Post by Griz
Hi Pedro
Post by pedro
Benny Hinn is well known as a fraud, who preys on vulnerable and
desperate ppl, and his organization is nothing more than a money making
machine. The fist link on his website is one to donate money!
If he is so well known, then we shouldn't need to tarry on this subject for
too long!
I think that rather than focus our attention upon those who may or may not
be misleading the vulnerable, we would do better to focus our attention upon
those of vulnerable heart who are actually in our presence: showing with
our lives dedicated to Christ, how to be strong in Him.
Mar 9:38 John said to Him, "Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in
Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us."
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, "Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will
perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of
Me.
That assumes that the person is acting sincerely from genuine motives. I
don't believe BH is.
Post by Griz
Mar 9:40 "For he who is not against us is for us.
Mar 9:41 "For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because of your
name as followers of Christ, truly I say to you, he will not lose his
reward.
The thing about true seekers of Christ, is that they are not seeking people
to put up on pedistals for veneration. When people's eyes are on Christ,
what they share is not of them but of Christ -- and will stand as such. We
can see that the person was simply a vessel and the message was "of God".
When people's eyes are on themselves, then what they share is of themselves
and it will not stand up before even marginal discernment. When people
cannot relate to God themselves, they look for someone to do it for them by
proxy. The evil is not whatever person they may elect to put up on a
pedistal -- but that their hearts are in such a state of misleading that
they would feel that they need to put a servant (other than Christ) up into
a place of honour and experience God through them.
I would simply suggest that rather than talk about people behind their backs
who are not here and never come here, we could better spend our time talking
about Christ and showcasing the hope that we have in Him.
To talk about an alleged fraud, should be become confirmed slanderers or
gossips? Should we sin while pointing out where another (who is in
absence) may have sinned?
BTW the second link on Chuck Swindol's website is to donate.
I don't know who/what you refer to here.
Post by Griz
I don't think we can use placement of links as a true measure of whether a
person is genuine or not.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
Some wise words Griz, but with all due respect, I think you are bending
over backwards to defend the indefensible. Some comment..

1. I think that when the first link on a website is to donate money, and
even the opt out links are, then that should ring a few bells for most
ppl. A genuine party may have a link to donate on their website, but
surely that would be placed in a position AFTER visitors had surveyed
the site and decided that it was a good cause to donate to. To have
links blatantly up front is simply saying.. I just want your money!

2. This is a discussion forum for on topic matters, and if such
discussion relevantly pertains to an individual not present, then so be
it. If it were not so then we couldn't even discuss the presidential
elections!

3. Making decisions and judgements based on what is known about persons
or organizations, rather than being something worthy of criticism, is in
fact mandatory for any sensible thinking person. And discussion here is
useful to provide information to make such decisions.



rgds,

Pete
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you obviously have no idea what's really going on'
Griz
2004-10-09 13:05:11 UTC
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Hi Pedro
Post by pedro
Post by Griz
Mar 9:38 John said to Him, "Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in
Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us."
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, "Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will
perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of
Me.
That assumes that the person is acting sincerely from genuine motives. I
don't believe BH is.
We're not told the motives of the person John was speaking of. Neither was
John seeking to act as a persistent judge of that man's heart or motives.
He basically said, "This fellow was doing something we didn't think he
should be doing -- and was doing it in YOUR name! Should we try to stop
him?".

This implies two very prideful things:
1) That they were a righteous judge of another's motives
2) That they were the person to stop it, by whatever means they could
muster.

Remember, the Bible is written for us to apply to ourselves -- not to try to
apply to others. We are not deemed righteous according to what we oppose,
but according to the light of Christ that shines forth from our lives. The
man in question in Mark 9:38 wasn't using John's name, but Jesus' name. If
he was to be stopped, Jesus Himself would have done the stopping.

I will not speak for or against Benny Hinn, for I don't 'know' him. I don't
watch his stuff because I find him too much of a "showman" for my liking.
But if he is doing what he is doing in Jesus' name, and returned the honour
and glory to God (which I have heard him do), then I will not hinder him --
because Jesus says not to.
I would speculate not because of the effect it would have on the person we
are trying to hinder (really, what effect does any of this talking about
Benny behind his back have on him? Or even if we said it to his face. If
he's convinced in his own heart, he will simply call my input "persecution"
and continue with greater zeal). I think Jesus said this because of the
effect it would have on us (wandering into the forbidden territory of
judging another's motives and trying to act as their own personal Holy
Spirit), and on those who are listening. Make enough noise about anything,
and you will only encourage the curious to go and see what all of the fuss
is about.
I don't doubt the viewership of the Harry Potter movies was bolstered by all
of those who raged against them -- just as the viewership of the Passion of
the Christ was boosted to an unimaginable degree by all of the people
seeking the exact opposite effect.
Actions taken under the direction of the Holy Spirit are first and foremost,
effective in the furtherance of God's Kingdom. If they have the exact
opposite effect, then they proceed not from the Spirit but from our own
flesh.

I would ask those who wish to ruin Benny's efforts or besmirch him, to
consider this.
And to ask themselves whether they truly believe that God will test and
judge what he is doing according to the highest of standards. Just as He
will with us. Both fraud and slander are sins. We would be fools to enter
freely into the latter, so we might point out the former in another.
As Gamaliel said in Acts 5:34, if what Benny is teacing is of Benny then it
will fade away -- despite any showmanship he might muster.

Remember, my concern is not for Benny and whether he is right or wrong --
for he is not here. My concern is for those who in their zeal to jump on a
bandwagon, may step in something they may some day wish they hadn't.

(The "Benny-wagon" does seem to roll through here with surprising
regularity -- usually right when the group is beginning to make a turn to a
more godly direction; distracting us into ungodliness for a season)

Yours in Christ,

Griz
bob young
2004-10-08 04:12:25 UTC
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Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?
which proves what?
Post by Griz
Remember that no person is a path to or an icon of God; other than Christ
Jesus.
Gobbledeegook
Post by Griz
Followers of Christ aspire to be perfect even as the Father is
perfect, but for now we are still tied to flesh who's nature is to be
imperfect -- and to look to others for comparison or corroboration of
ourselves.
Myhtology
Post by Griz
Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on. It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either. But
if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.
Rather than looking for and accentuating the flaws in others -- a rather
undemanding process indicating our eyes are more on people -- we should have
our eyes upon Christ.
Phi 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God
in Christ Jesus.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
r***@romath.net
2004-10-08 04:59:16 UTC
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Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?
Remember that no person is a path to or an icon of God; other than Christ
Jesus. Followers of Christ aspire to be perfect even as the Father is
perfect, but for now we are still tied to flesh who's nature is to be
imperfect -- and to look to others for comparison or corroboration of
ourselves. Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on. It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either. But
if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.
Rather than looking for and accentuating the flaws in others -- a rather
undemanding process indicating our eyes are more on people -- we should have
our eyes upon Christ.
Phi 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God
in Christ Jesus.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
Griz, in this case though, he IS correct.

Hinn also put on another prize 'performance' where he let on he
'fainted' in his typical 'slain-in-the-spirit' ACT......
when the two flunkies 'caught him' as he was going down, he was still
talking, and muttering gibberish that was not tongues, but just noise
to make himself heard.
AND, the other comical thing was, he never let go of the microphone.
It stayed right in his crooked arm, aimed right at that gaping chasm
of a outh of his.

As a professional person, I happen to know for a FACT that when a
person faints, they lose consciousness, are NOT speaking during the
faint, and they sure as shootin' don't hold onto anything... anything
they have in their hands DROOPS, and their limbs become flaccid.

Hinn IS a charlatan.
And by the way I've heard him hissing onstage, I am still thorougly
convinced, hinn is satan-possessed, posing as a bringer of light.

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JESUS IS THE ROCK
God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called
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Griz
2004-10-09 01:28:21 UTC
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Post by r***@romath.net
Griz, in this case though, he IS correct.
But in order to point out the sin of fraud, should we venture into the sin
of gossip and slander?
Who will be "more damned" on that final day? The fraud, the gossip or the
slanderer?

Yours in Christ,

Griz









PS, the answer is, "They will all be the same in God's eyes, for they all
will be guilty of sin"
pedro
2004-10-09 04:41:12 UTC
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Post by Griz
Post by r***@romath.net
Griz, in this case though, he IS correct.
But in order to point out the sin of fraud, should we venture into the sin
of gossip and slander?
Who will be "more damned" on that final day? The fraud, the gossip or the
slanderer?
Slander is only such when it is FALSE accusation.
Post by Griz
Yours in Christ,
Griz
PS, the answer is, "They will all be the same in God's eyes, for they all
will be guilty of sin"
rgds,

Pete
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'Please take my advice, I don't use it anyway'
Griz
2004-10-09 13:23:54 UTC
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Hi Pedro
Post by pedro
Post by Griz
But in order to point out the sin of fraud, should we venture into the sin
of gossip and slander?
Who will be "more damned" on that final day? The fraud, the gossip or the
slanderer?
Slander is only such when it is FALSE accusation.
False or malicious. Seeking to harm them.
And gossip is speaking ill of someone in their absence. Whether true or not
(gossip and truth are rarely companions.

Just a question Pete:
What do you think drives you to persist so in this -- knowing that the more
fuss that is made about anything, the more curious people will be drawn to
it to experience it first-hand for themselves?

Remember, my concern is not for whether Benny's motives are pure or evil --
for he is not here to speak in his defense. My concern is for those who
might be so zealous to point to someone else's trespass, that they trespass
themselves.

Yours in Christ,

Griz
pedro
2004-10-09 16:20:01 UTC
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Post by Griz
Hi Pedro
Post by pedro
Post by Griz
But in order to point out the sin of fraud, should we venture into the
sin of gossip and slander?
Who will be "more damned" on that final day? The fraud, the gossip or
the slanderer?
Slander is only such when it is FALSE accusation.
False or malicious. Seeking to harm them.
And gossip is speaking ill of someone in their absence. Whether true or not
(gossip and truth are rarely companions.
This is not gossip. This is making ppl aware of the true nature of this
person, and his REAL purpose, which is simply to make money.
Post by Griz
What do you think drives you to persist so in this -- knowing that the more
fuss that is made about anything, the more curious people will be drawn to
it to experience it first-hand for themselves?
Actually I was wondering the same about you. I haven't seen you post
that much at all. But in this thread you have been prolific, and your
theme has been one of intense defense of this man. I have really said
all that I need to say, but you seem to be making out that anyone who is
critical of him is in some way at fault themself. I am only stating what
is the case with him. I am not making anything up, so I don't see why
you have chosen to take this line. But I'm all done, how about you?
Post by Griz
Remember, my concern is not for whether Benny's motives are pure or evil --
for he is not here to speak in his defense. My concern is for those who
might be so zealous to point to someone else's trespass, that they trespass
themselves.
I submit that your concern should be more for his victims and potential
victims.
Post by Griz
Yours in Christ,
Griz
rgds,

Pete
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'Dinner will be ready when the smoke alarm goes off'
Bob
2004-10-09 22:36:55 UTC
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Post by pedro
Post by Griz
Post by r***@romath.net
Griz, in this case though, he IS correct.
But in order to point out the sin of fraud, should we venture into the sin
of gossip and slander?
Who will be "more damned" on that final day? The fraud, the gossip or the
slanderer?
Slander is only such when it is FALSE accusation.
A statement of fact is never wrong.
Post by pedro
Post by Griz
Yours in Christ,
Griz
PS, the answer is, "They will all be the same in God's eyes, for they all
will be guilty of sin"
rgds,
Pete
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'Please take my advice, I don't use it anyway'
r***@romath.net
2004-10-09 05:28:11 UTC
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went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet
Post by Griz
Post by r***@romath.net
Griz, in this case though, he IS correct.
But in order to point out the sin of fraud, should we venture into the sin
of gossip and slander?
Who will be "more damned" on that final day? The fraud, the gossip or the
slanderer?
Yours in Christ,
Griz
PS, the answer is, "They will all be the same in God's eyes, for they all
will be guilty of sin"
Griz, how is anyone slandering hinn by TELLING THE TRUTH about him?
He IS a fraud. That's not slander, which would be verbal defamation,
nor is it libel, which is written defamation of character.

We ALL have our faults, certainly, and I don't believe I'm perfect by
any means, either.

BUT-- when a known fraud is exposed, that is not a crime.
People need to be made aware of individuals like hinn in order to
avoid him, don't you think?

God bless you and yours.

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JESUS IS THE ROCK
God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called
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Griz
2004-10-09 13:27:52 UTC
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Griz, how is anyone slandering hinn by TELLING THE TRUTH about him?
That truth being, that he is a sinner?
And how is that different from those talking behind his back, luring the
curious to go and see what all of the fuss is about, or spending so much
time sounding warning sirens when it might be better spend encouraging
people to seek God for themselves so they will not need to rely on the
warning sirens of others.

Remember, we are all sinners.
How well would you fare if we put you on a stage and pointed a camera at
you? How many trespasses would others find in you?

God's word is written for us to apply to our own hearts; not to the hearts
of others. And when we make applying it first and foremost upon our own
hearts, we will not be misled into fraud or slander or gossip or the pride
that would have us put another down so that we might feel that much better
in our own hearts.

Yours in Christ,

Griz
r***@romath.net
2004-10-09 15:43:42 UTC
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went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet
Post by Griz
Post by r***@romath.net
Griz, how is anyone slandering hinn by TELLING THE TRUTH about him?
That truth being, that he is a sinner?
And how is that different from those talking behind his back, luring the
curious to go and see what all of the fuss is about, or spending so much
time sounding warning sirens when it might be better spend encouraging
people to seek God for themselves so they will not need to rely on the
warning sirens of others.
Remember, we are all sinners.
I never said I was not a sinne,r Griz. IN FACT, I have been saying all
along that ALL people have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of
God.

You appear to approve of hinn's lies, false teachings fake healings,
and false prophesying, unfortunately.

I clearly recall seeing hinn make the claim that 'Jesus will appear
onstage with me"... naming the date.

And guess what? No Jesus appeared, Griz.

So--- what else does this make hinn? A FALSE PROPHET.

We already know the fate of the false prophet.
Post by Griz
How well would you fare if we put you on a stage and pointed a camera at
you? How many trespasses would others find in you?
Beats me!!
Actually, being on the television camera has never bothered me, and
I've been on it a pretty fair bit.
I will not elaborate unless absolitely necessary, knowing that there
are some unsavory individuals in here who would only love to try and
call me a liar.
But if they try to, I also have the tapes to PROVE IT.

If someone wants to pick me apart for being on TV, that's their
problem, but they also need to consider I have never claimed to be
perfect.
No person is.
Post by Griz
God's word is written for us to apply to our own hearts; not to the hearts
of others. And when we make applying it first and foremost upon our own
hearts, we will not be misled into fraud or slander or gossip or the pride
that would have us put another down so that we might feel that much better
in our own hearts.
Well, Griz, I am sorry to see you are not making any attempts to
expose hinn's lies for what they are, but that's your problem, I'm
afraid.

At least when I breathe my last, I will know I did what I could to
promote God's work and WORD, and expose liars and fakes.

I hope you have a good day.


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JESUS IS THE ROCK
God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called
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ChuckPF
2004-10-08 05:06:03 UTC
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Post by Griz
Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on.
Is being an outrageous scamster defined as having a flaw?
Post by Griz
It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either. But
if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.
I don't think the author of this post was trying to puff himself up. He
was just pointing out some very unpleasant facts about the enormous amount
of scamming and blatant fakery going on in Christianity.
Post by Griz
Rather than looking for and accentuating the flaws in others
With Benny Hinn you don't have to look for it. It's all out in the open.
He's a guy living a lavish lifestyle by being a con man in one of the oldest
cons in human history.
bob young
2004-10-08 12:11:27 UTC
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Post by ChuckPF
Post by Griz
Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on.
Is being an outrageous scamster defined as having a flaw?
Post by Griz
It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either. But
if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.
I don't think the author of this post was trying to puff himself up. He
was just pointing out some very unpleasant facts about the enormous amount
of scamming and blatant fakery going on in Christianity.
Post by Griz
Rather than looking for and accentuating the flaws in others
With Benny Hinn you don't have to look for it. It's all out in the open.
He's a guy living a lavish lifestyle by being a con man in one of the oldest
cons in human history.
If a con literally took money, even a small amount, from a third party the con
artist would be jailed, yet this idiot gets away with earning millions. His
latest 'con' is a cross with a piece of stone from the birth place of JC
embedded in it. Another huge con for feeble minds
Griz
2004-10-09 01:29:58 UTC
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Post by ChuckPF
Is being an outrageous scamster defined as having a flaw?
No moreso than being a gossip Chuck.

We need to be careful talking about what people are doing wrong -- for sure
as shooting we ourselves are likely doing something wrong in the process of
talking about them rather than turning people's attention to the cross of
Christ.

Yours in service,

Griz
Sensei Shaolin
2004-10-08 13:48:15 UTC
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Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei?
This is what I am asking:

1. Why would Benny Hinn need an interpreter with him on stage (in a
foreign country) since he is allegedly baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?

2. Why not dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the
crowd with his gift of tongues?
Post by Griz
Did you realize that all people are imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on
anyone for long enough you will perceive errors and flaws?
I asked two valid questions and I am being scrutinized by you.
Post by Griz
Remember that no person is a path to or an icon of God; other than Christ
Jesus. Followers of Christ aspire to be perfect even as the Father is
perfect, but for now we are still tied to flesh who's nature is to be
imperfect --
So, is Benny's gift of tongues imperfect because he needed an
interpreter? Is his spiritual gift corrupted because he's still tied
to the flesh?
Post by Griz
and to look to others for comparison or corroboration of
ourselves. Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on.
Is Benny's gift of tongues flawed? I made an observation and instead
of answering the questions, you are scrutinizing me and accusing me of
pointing out flaws in other people. You accuse me of doing to others
exactly what you are doing to me.
Post by Griz
It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either.
I asked two questions about a preacher needing an interpreter when he
has been very open in admitting he has the gift of tongues and an
anointing of the Holy Ghost.
Post by Griz
But if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.
I asked two questions and here they are:

1. Why would Benny Hinn need an interpreter with him on stage (in a
foreign country) since he is allegedly baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?

2. Why not dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the
crowd with his gift of tongues?

My questions are on topic and they deal with the Holy Spirit and
spiritual gifts. You have replied to my post in such a way where you
have taken away the focus of my questions which are on topic.
Griz
2004-10-09 01:38:21 UTC
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Post by Sensei Shaolin
1. Why would Benny Hinn need an interpreter with him on stage (in a
foreign country) since he is allegedly baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?
If Jesus had the gift of healing, why did he only heal one person at the
pool of Bethesda? And would someone standing on the sidelines or hearing
about it 3rd or 4th or 18th hand, be the one to criticize how He made use of
what had been given him?

What gifts of the Spirit do you have Sensei?
And if you were placed on a stage and televised, how much scrutiny would you
have to field?
Post by Sensei Shaolin
2. Why not dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the
crowd with his gift of tongues?
Why did Jesus the healer not dispense with the pool of Bethesda and directly
heal the crowd that was gathered at the pool? Because that was not God's
will.
If you were on stage with a camera in your face, would your scrutinizers
only find 2 points they could nail you on?

My point is that when we turn our attention towards measuring others, we
enter into a mindset of pride where we might even find it acceptable to
think that it is WE who tell the Spirit of God when and where and why and
how to move.
John 3:8

Yours in Christ,

Griz
pedro
2004-10-09 04:41:12 UTC
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Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
1. Why would Benny Hinn need an interpreter with him on stage (in a
foreign country) since he is allegedly baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?
If Jesus had the gift of healing, why did he only heal one person at the
pool of Bethesda? And would someone standing on the sidelines or hearing
about it 3rd or 4th or 18th hand, be the one to criticize how He made use of
what had been given him?
What gifts of the Spirit do you have Sensei?
And if you were placed on a stage and televised, how much scrutiny would you
have to field?
Post by Sensei Shaolin
2. Why not dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the
crowd with his gift of tongues?
Why did Jesus the healer not dispense with the pool of Bethesda and directly
heal the crowd that was gathered at the pool? Because that was not God's
will.
If you were on stage with a camera in your face, would your scrutinizers
only find 2 points they could nail you on?
My point is that when we turn our attention towards measuring others, we
enter into a mindset of pride where we might even find it acceptable to
think that it is WE who tell the Spirit of God when and where and why and
how to move.
John 3:8
Yours in Christ,
Griz
The problem with that argument is that I for one do not belive that
Benny Hinn moves in/with the Spirit of God.


rgds,

Pete
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'Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand'
Griz
2004-10-09 13:34:41 UTC
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Hi Pete
Post by pedro
The problem with that argument is that I for one do not belive that
Benny Hinn moves in/with the Spirit of God.
If this is true, then his words and works will not be commended or blessed
by the Holy Spirit.
It will be temporary and it will pass. None will experience salvation at
his crusades, plus they will raise up a flock who are more into following
after a person than after God. They will have found what they are looking
for, just as millions do daily.
And a person is rarely swayed by another TELLING them what is wrong; it is
usually because of a person SHOWING them what is right by their life
dedicated to Christ.

I would suggest that it is wise to not let our well-meaning warnings, to
cause such an on-going fuss that the net effect will be to draw even MORE
curious people to his crusades to see what all of the fuss is about.

Yours in Christ,

Griz
pedro
2004-10-09 16:20:48 UTC
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Post by Griz
Hi Pete
Post by pedro
The problem with that argument is that I for one do not belive that
Benny Hinn moves in/with the Spirit of God.
If this is true, then his words and works will not be commended or blessed
by the Holy Spirit.
It will be temporary and it will pass. None will experience salvation at
his crusades, plus they will raise up a flock who are more into following
after a person than after God. They will have found what they are looking
for, just as millions do daily.
And a person is rarely swayed by another TELLING them what is wrong; it is
usually because of a person SHOWING them what is right by their life
dedicated to Christ.
I would suggest that it is wise to not let our well-meaning warnings, to
cause such an on-going fuss that the net effect will be to draw even MORE
curious people to his crusades to see what all of the fuss is about.
I suggest that's a silly argument.
Post by Griz
Yours in Christ,
Griz
rgds,

Pete
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'Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what the hell
happened'
Bob
2004-10-09 22:37:26 UTC
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Post by pedro
Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
1. Why would Benny Hinn need an interpreter with him on stage (in a
foreign country) since he is allegedly baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?
If Jesus had the gift of healing, why did he only heal one person at the
pool of Bethesda? And would someone standing on the sidelines or hearing
about it 3rd or 4th or 18th hand, be the one to criticize how He made use of
what had been given him?
What gifts of the Spirit do you have Sensei?
And if you were placed on a stage and televised, how much scrutiny would you
have to field?
Post by Sensei Shaolin
2. Why not dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the
crowd with his gift of tongues?
Why did Jesus the healer not dispense with the pool of Bethesda and directly
heal the crowd that was gathered at the pool? Because that was not God's
will.
If you were on stage with a camera in your face, would your scrutinizers
only find 2 points they could nail you on?
My point is that when we turn our attention towards measuring others, we
enter into a mindset of pride where we might even find it acceptable to
think that it is WE who tell the Spirit of God when and where and why and
how to move.
John 3:8
Yours in Christ,
Griz
The problem with that argument is that I for one do not belive that
Benny Hinn moves in/with the Spirit of God.
I for two agree.
Post by pedro
rgds,
Pete
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'Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand'
j w <john_w@yahoo.com>
2004-10-09 04:48:53 UTC
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On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:38:21 -0400, "Griz" <***@cois.no-no.on.ca>
wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
1. Why would Benny Hinn need an interpreter with him on stage (in a
foreign country) since he is allegedly baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?
If Jesus had the gift of healing, why did he only heal one person at the
pool of Bethesda?
Sensai has raised an EXCELLENT point which you casually brush aside
with excuses.

Are you a closet pretender?


And would someone standing on the sidelines or hearing
Post by Griz
about it 3rd or 4th or 18th hand, be the one to criticize how He made use of
what had been given him?
Jesus didn't come to heal everyone in Israel. He came to DEMONSTRATE
that He was God with miracles so that He'd be believed on the
salvation issue.

He also said that we'd always have sick, and that we'd always have
poor.

Which is another false teaching by the pretenders, that you're only
sick because you've sinned, that it's "not God's will for ANYONE to be
sick."

Funny that one of the most famous pretender pastors in America, Casey
Treat, a local in Seattle, has finally confessed that he has Hepatitis
B from illegal intravenous drug use as a teen. He has preached for 20
years that if you're a Christian, you don't get sick. He has preached
that, with OUR God, even HIV and hepatitis and AIDS are no match for
the Holy Spirit.

Yet now this infamous false prophet reveals he's been lying and
teaching falsely for 20 years. And his flock are so stupid and so
brainwashed, they haven't made the connection.

Casey's been praying for healing for 20 years, and only admitted it
finally when it became PAINFULLY obvious that he would not be healed.

But his flock remain so brainwashed, so braindead, that they think he
can be a pretender and preach "healing" while suffering an incurable
disease.

Give me a break.
Post by Griz
What gifts of the Spirit do you have Sensei?
And if you were placed on a stage and televised, how much scrutiny would you
have to field?
The question is, would Sensai be preaching false teaching? Would he
pretend to heal? While REFUSING to see those with terminal illnesses,
like Benny does?
Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
2. Why not dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the
crowd with his gift of tongues?
Why did Jesus the healer not dispense with the pool of Bethesda and directly
heal the crowd that was gathered at the pool? Because that was not God's
will.
You still aren't getting it, and I believe now that you are an
advocate for the wrong side. Jesus didn't preach that ALL would be
healed. He said the exact opposite, which is NOT Benny's teaching.

Benny preaches that EVERYONE who is "born again" "speaks in tongues',
yet he doesn't.
That is a lie. Plain and simple.

And I think you aren't getting it because you don't wish to get it.
Post by Griz
If you were on stage with a camera in your face, would your scrutinizers
only find 2 points they could nail you on?
Mistakes are one thing; consistent, repetitive false teaching and
calling demons into people is something else.
Post by Griz
My point is that when we turn our attention towards measuring others, we
enter into a mindset of pride where we might even find it acceptable to
think that it is WE who tell the Spirit of God when and where and why and
how to move.
bs

Don't use the Bible to defend Satan, which is what you are doing.

Jesus AND Paul told us to measure EVERYONE and EVERY TEACHING by the
Bible. Gal 1.

Now YOU are a false teacher, and I am ashamed for you.

I've finally found the "chink" in YOUR armor. You appear to be just
another wolf in sheep's clothing.

That, or you are SADLY, TRAGICALLY, FATEFULLY, DANGEROUSLY
misinformed, and you are passing on that misinformation.

YES, we are to be tolerant, but not tolerant of evil.


jw
Post by Griz
John 3:8
Yours in Christ,
Griz
God bless!

j w
Sensei Shaolin
2004-10-09 11:47:17 UTC
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Post by Sensei Shaolin
1. Why would Benny Hinn need an interpreter with him on stage (in a
foreign country) since he is allegedly baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?
If Jesus had the gift of healing, why did he only heal one person at the
pool of Bethesda? And would someone standing on the sidelines or hearing
about it 3rd or 4th or 18th hand, be the one to criticize how He made use of
what had been given him?
John 21:24 That is the disciple who gives his testimony as to these
matters, and has written this history; and we know that his testimony
is true.
John 21:25 But there are also many other things which Jesus did--so
vast a number indeed that if they were all described in detail, I
suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would
have to be written.

How do *YOU* know only one person was healed?

Again, here are my questions:

1. Why would Benny Hinn need an interpreter with him on stage (in a
foreign country) since he is allegedly baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?

2. Why not dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the
crowd with his gift of tongues?

If you don't know the answer Griz just say so.
Post by Griz
What gifts of the Spirit do you have Sensei?
I do not brag.
Post by Griz
And if you were placed on a stage and televised, how much scrutiny would you
have to field?
I would never be placed on a stage to televise my gifts. I would not
allow it to happen.
Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
2. Why not dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the
crowd with his gift of tongues?
Why did Jesus the healer not dispense with the pool of Bethesda and directly
heal the crowd that was gathered at the pool? Because that was not God's
will.
John 21:24 That is the disciple who gives his testimony as to these
matters, and has written this history; and we know that his testimony
is true.
John 21:25 But there are also many other things which Jesus did--so
vast a number indeed that if they were all described in detail, I
suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would
have to be written.

How do *YOU* know only one person was healed?
Post by Griz
If you were on stage with a camera in your face, would your scrutinizers
only find 2 points they could nail you on?
Only two points? LOL. There were more than "2 points" that he could
be nailed on. My observations were based on the beginning of the
episode.

Again, here are my questions:

1. Why would Benny Hinn need an interpreter with him on stage (in a
foreign country) since he is allegedly baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?

2. Why not dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the
crowd with his gift of tongues?
Griz
2004-10-09 13:59:26 UTC
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Post by Griz
Post by Sensei Shaolin
1. Why would Benny Hinn need an interpreter with him on stage (in a
foreign country) since he is allegedly baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?
If Jesus had the gift of healing, why did he only heal one person at the
pool of Bethesda? And would someone standing on the sidelines or hearing
about it 3rd or 4th or 18th hand, be the one to criticize how He made use of
what had been given him?
How do *YOU* know only one person was healed?
Wow.

There's a real desperation to have the conclusion of this exchange not
'rock' what you have already determined the conclusion must be Sensei. It
might be something worth delving into in your devotions.
The healing of many is something that was both miraculous and to God's
greater glory. We have other examples where the authors of the Gospels
didn't go into great details healings, but didn't neglect to mention "many
were healed". The Holy Spirit never misses an opportunity to bring glory to
God -- for He alone is worthy of it.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
John 21:24 That is the disciple who gives his testimony as to these
matters, and has written this history; and we know that his testimony
is true.
John 21:25 But there are also many other things which Jesus did--so
vast a number indeed that if they were all described in detail, I
suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would
have to be written
This is God's word, and it is true.
But are you sure that God's intent was to have it used to justify hounding
after Benny Hinn?
It is fair to surmise that this is your base intent because after sharing
the truth of God's word, you go right back to hounding after a person.
Please measure your heart Sensei.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
1. Why would Benny Hinn need an interpreter with him on stage (in a
foreign country) since he is allegedly baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?
2. Why not dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the
crowd with his gift of tongues?
If you don't know the answer Griz just say so.
I never propose to have all of the answers, because I know that I don't.
But I do know that you have a passion for hounding people that you believe
are doing a poorer job of things than you are. Be wary of the pride that
comes with this.

I drew the analogy to Jesus at the pool of Bethesda. He was able to heal
all who were there, but we only read of one man being healed. The gifts of
the Spirit flow according to God's will. We don't always know God's will,
so we are not valid judges of how those gifts are and should and could be
used -- especially in another.
Doubly so when that person is not even present here.

Remember, my concern right now is not for Benny and what he might be doing
or not doing or not doing most effectively.
My concern is for those who might be so passionate to sound a warning and
point at the sin in others, that they overlook the sin that is in their own
hearts.

And in keeping with this, I will end with this example. If a brother is
stumbling, point it out to their face. Point it out to their face in the
presence of the body. Then leave the Holy Spirit to deal with it.
I do not wish to have this thread become something that will lure the
curious into the very crusades that you have judged as evil because Benny
had an interpreter!
(BTW, I don't think the disciples chose the languages they would speak in
when so many heard them in their own tongues. It was a function and a
choice of the Holy Spirit. Be wary that you are not entering into a
position of pride in trying to tell the Holy Spirit when and how and why He
should manifest. We don't control God but rather, should be the ones
controlled by Him).

Yours in Christ,

Griz
j w <john_w@yahoo.com>
2004-10-08 18:56:28 UTC
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Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Are you asking a spiritual question of the group, or simply trying to point
out how another is wrong Sensei? Did you realize that all people are
imperfect, and that if you focus your scrutiny on anyone for long enough you
will perceive errors and flaws?
I must interject here, Griz. While I agree with you most of the time,
I am totally against you here. If you have studied as long as I have
(over 50 years), and then you watch Benny (I have dozens of times-I
can't tolerate him any more than that), Benny is a false teacher/false
prophet. His "gospel" is a mixture of sound teaching--he certainly
teaches being born again--but then he requires his "followers" to
"receive the Holy Ghost" and be "slain in the spirit."

I happen to know from other sources that he is calling demons to
possess these people. Several in the pentecostal group have commented
on what happens off camera that you don't see at Benny Hinn and Rod
Parsley concerts. That is, MUCH demonic activity. People rolling
around on the floor, their eyes rolled back in the sockets so only the
white shows, people foaming at the mouth, blasphemy in a foreign
language (reported in other sources), people going completely rigid
like a 4 x 4, etc.

Having been forced to attend a "pentecostal" (I call them "pretender"
churches) for over 2 months, I saw a LOT of demonic activity.

The OTHER label for "being slain in the spirit" is called "the spirit
of epilepsy," and the pentecostals claim it is UNIVERSAL, that "the
spirit of epilepsy" is invoked at pretender churches worldwide. People
go SEEKING the spirit of epilepsy.

And what scripture do they use to justify the "spirit of epilepsy?"
You will hopefully be as horrified as I was/am. It indicates they have
not the LEAST discernment to judge the true from the false.


MT 17:9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed
them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has
been raised from the dead."

MT 17:10 The disciples asked him, "Why then do the teachers of the
law say that Elijah must come first?"

MT 17:11 Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore
all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did
not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the
same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." 13 Then
the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the
Baptist.

MT 17:14 When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and
knelt before him. 15 "Lord, have mercy on my son," he said. "He has
seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or
into the water. 16 I brought him to your disciples, but they could not
heal him."

MT 17:17 "O unbelieving and perverse generation," Jesus replied,
"how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you?
Bring the boy here to me." 18 Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out
of the boy, and he was healed from that moment.

MT 17:19 Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked,
"Why couldn't we drive it out?"

MT 17:20 He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you
the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say
to this mountain, `Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing
will be impossible for you. "

The spirit in the boy was a demon, CLEARLY.

Yet the pretenders call this demon "the spirit of epilepsy", and they
go to pretender churches SEEKING the spirit of epilepsy. They go to
pretender churches SEEKING demonic possession.

And I don't believe for a nano-second that Benny and Rod and the other
pretender "leadership" don't know EXACTLY what is going on.

There MUST be SOME reason why the "pentecostal" movement is the
fastest growing "Christian" denomination on the planet.

If you put on your discernment cap, do you think that if we ARE in the
last days, it's about time that the "false religion" emerged, the one
that unites all faiths?

I suggest that pentecostalism may well be the false world religion. It
appeals to ALL faiths, from RCC to Southern Baptists. And MANY come
from OTHER religions, Buddhist, Mormon, Hindu, and become
pentecostals.

Give that some thought.

Also consider this. Why does Pat Robertson have a "word of knowledge"
about my illness being healed? why doesn't God simply heal me and tell
ME I'm being healed?

Benny and Pat and the others depend on two things:
1. gullibility
2. an ignorance of sound Christian/Biblical teaching/doctrine.

Ask 100 pentecostal believers the same 100 questions about sound
Christian teaching- from the Trinity to water baptism, and you'll get
100 different VERY confused answers, or no answers.

"You can study the Bible TOO much!" I have heard MANY times. Thereby
indicating that the pentecostal leadership aren't concerned with
Christian growth. They're concerned with getting people "baptized in
the Holy Ghost and slain in the spirit."

That's their hook.

God bless!

jw
Post by Griz
Remember that no person is a path to or an icon of God; other than Christ
Jesus. Followers of Christ aspire to be perfect even as the Father is
perfect, but for now we are still tied to flesh who's nature is to be
imperfect -- and to look to others for comparison or corroboration of
ourselves. Flaws can be found in anyone other than Christ we might focus
our attention on. It matters not whether they are real or simply perceived
errors either -- as our flesh can make just as good a usage of either. But
if we then take the flaws in others and use them as a tool to either show
how they are lesser or we are greater, then we are still dealing with the
currency of pride and have missed Christ.
Rather than looking for and accentuating the flaws in others -- a rather
undemanding process indicating our eyes are more on people -- we should have
our eyes upon Christ.
Phi 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God
in Christ Jesus.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
God bless!

j w
Griz
2004-10-09 01:47:59 UTC
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I must interject here, Griz. While I agree with you most of the time,
I am totally against you here. If you have studied as long as I have
(over 50 years), and then you watch Benny (I have dozens of times-I
can't tolerate him any more than that), Benny is a false teacher/false
prophet.
Hi John.
Could you clarify what it is I've said that you are against?

I have been exceedingly careful not said one word either for or against the
allegations that are made against Benny Hinn. I am at peace with the
promise that he will stand before God and answer for what he has done --
just as each of us will.
I have simply asked people to examine whether or not they themselves are
heading into folly with this thread, even as they accuse another (who is not
present) of folly.

If Benny is as evil as people keep insisting, then his fruits contrary to
the Spirit will be large and pungent enough for even a neophyte seeker to
discern. I would suggest that the only people who are misled into following
a person -- are those who are seeking a person to follow.
True seekers, seek Christ.
Our job is to point to Him. Not at those who may or may not be blowing it.

Yours in Him,

Griz
ChuckPF
2004-10-09 03:44:26 UTC
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Post by Griz
If Benny is as evil as people keep insisting, then his fruits contrary to
the Spirit will be large and pungent enough for even a neophyte seeker to
discern.
One doesn't need to be a "neophyte seeker" to figure out the guy is a
complete fraud. Anyone with a room temperature IQ can see it.
What's wrong with you people? Are you really that stupid?
Post by Griz
I would suggest that the only people who are misled into following
a person -- are those who are seeking a person to follow.
Persons attending cult meetings are either seeking for or are
under the power of a leader. They've reduced themselves to a state
not much more advanced than that of a braying pasture animal.
Too bad, isn't it?
Post by Griz
True seekers, seek Christ.
Our job is to point to Him. Not at those who may or may not be blowing it.
blowing what?
Griz
2004-10-09 14:02:28 UTC
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Hi Chuck
Post by ChuckPF
One doesn't need to be a "neophyte seeker" to figure out the guy is a
complete fraud. Anyone with a room temperature IQ can see it.
What's wrong with you people? Are you really that stupid?
Then why do we keep producing group-busting threads pointing out the
obvious?

One doesn't need a burgeoning thread to contest that if you pick up both of
your feet at the same time, you'll fall down!

The warning has been delivered and re-delivered and re-re-delivered, spiced
with all kinds of things that resemble gossip and slander. Can we not
simply let it go, stop talking about people, and turn our eyes back towards
Christ?

Yours in Him,

Griz
j w <john_w@yahoo.com>
2004-10-09 17:26:28 UTC
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Post by Griz
Hi Chuck
Post by ChuckPF
One doesn't need to be a "neophyte seeker" to figure out the guy is a
complete fraud. Anyone with a room temperature IQ can see it.
What's wrong with you people? Are you really that stupid?
Then why do we keep producing group-busting threads pointing out the
obvious?
One doesn't need a burgeoning thread to contest that if you pick up both of
your feet at the same time, you'll fall down!
The warning has been delivered and re-delivered and re-re-delivered, spiced
with all kinds of things that resemble gossip and slander. Can we not
simply let it go, stop talking about people, and turn our eyes back towards
Christ?
No. we can't. As long as Benny and his gang continue preaching, then
we born again Christians must OPENLY Vocally oppose him.

Otherwise, the one day we stop, someone who needs to hear our warnings
and the TRUE gospel will not hear.

Jesus didn't preach one sermon and then set up an office so if you
were interested you could drop by, ask a few questions, and get saved.

He preached almost daily the whole 3 1/2 years He ministered. And He
didn't rebuke the Pharisees just once, but every time they reared
their apostate heads.

Should we NOT follow Jesus' example?

I continue to be alarmed that--in fact--you are in the closet and on
the wrong side.

Why do we preach the gospel at all? Those who are interested can
SURELY find a bookstore and buy a Bible and all the reading material
they could possibly want.

Jesus told us to go into ALL the world. That includes cyberspace, and,
yes, this group.

Here we are/ I am.

So lead, follow, or get the h* out of the way or be trampled.


jw
Post by Griz
Yours in Him,
Griz
God bless!

j w
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Post by j w <***@yahoo.com>
I must interject here, Griz. While I agree with you most of the time,
I am totally against you here. If you have studied as long as I have
(over 50 years), and then you watch Benny (I have dozens of times-I
can't tolerate him any more than that), Benny is a false teacher/false
prophet.
Hi John.
Could you clarify what it is I've said that you are against?
yes, happily. You have seemed to me to suggest that calling Benny and
his crowd false teachers/prophets and demonic is "going overboard" and
that "IF he is not for real" his followers will figure it out.

Not so. If his followers come to his meetings (and they do), and are
possessed by demons before they leave (by being "slain in the spirit")
and they are, they won't be open to correction by anyone outside the
pretender cult, (and they aren't).
Post by Griz
I have been exceedingly careful not said one word either for or against the
allegations that are made against Benny Hinn.
That's the problem. Jesus called you "neither hot nor cold."

I am at peace with the
Post by Griz
promise that he will stand before God and answer for what he has done --
just as each of us will.
Are you at peace then, with the MILLIONS he has led into the pit?
Post by Griz
I have simply asked people to examine whether or not they themselves are
heading into folly with this thread, even as they accuse another (who is not
present) of folly.
You are beginning, frankly, to smack like you are on the other side.
Your indifference REALLY disturbs me.
Post by Griz
If Benny is as evil as people keep insisting, then his fruits contrary to
the Spirit will be large and pungent enough for even a neophyte seeker to
discern.
They are, and you haven't.

I would suggest that the only people who are misled into following
Post by Griz
a person -- are those who are seeking a person to follow.
True seekers, seek Christ.
Then you reject Galatians 1.

You also reject our command to protect the innocent. You casually sit
back, pop another six pack, and do nothing actively to warn others.
Making YOU part of the PROBLEM, rather than part of the solution.

Your attitude is similar to driving by a lake and seeing someone in
their car, going under the water. Rather than parking your car, and
jumping in to save the person (something ANY responsible person would
do) you merely drive by and think, "if it's God's will, someone will
come along to save that person." I'm late for my lunch date already.

What if someone else doesn't come along?
Post by Griz
Our job is to point to Him. Not at those who may or may not be blowing it.
Not true. Jesus didn't merely preach the gospel; He confronted those
who
1. preached a false gospel of works
2. those who heckled Him.

He didn't ignore either.

I'll pray for your indifference. You suddenly sound VERY Calvinist,
and frankly, I have LITTLE use for Calvinists.

One of my very closest friends is a Calvinist Gideon, and I didn't
know he was a Calvinist until I'd known and loved him for 10 years. We
had a SHARP argument about that, our first and one of the few, and we
have remained close. But if I'd known up front, I'd never have
bothered.

jw
Post by Griz
Yours in Him,
Griz
God bless!

j w
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2004-10-09 14:33:34 UTC
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Hi John.
Post by j w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Griz
Hi John.
Could you clarify what it is I've said that you are against?
yes, happily. You have seemed to me to suggest that calling Benny and
his crowd false teachers/prophets and demonic is "going overboard" and
that "IF he is not for real" his followers will figure it out.
Those following any person rather than God may never figure it out. And
they won't figure it out by people raging against their chosen 'leader'
either. If anything, it will only strengthen their resolve -- much like you
felt you needed to stand up when people were speaking ill of Billy Graham.
The same process will happen in them that happened in you, strengthening
their resolve.
It is only when we are following Christ that we begin to figure such things
out as His Spirit shows us. Our best chance is to make sure our hearts
reflect what is right -- rather than spending too much time pointing at what
is wrong.

Already this thread had grown to unbelievable proportions. Could we ever
muster a thread of this magnitude on a topic that seeks to bring honour and
glory to God?! Sadly, such threads only seem to happen when someone decides
to speak against (usually not against evil, but against a person)
Post by j w <***@yahoo.com>
Not so. If his followers come to his meetings (and they do), and are
possessed by demons before they leave (by being "slain in the spirit")
and they are, they won't be open to correction by anyone outside the
pretender cult, (and they aren't).
We need to remember that no man possesses another with an evil spirit. It
happens because the door to the heart is left open to the wrong spirit --
and nobody can open the door to your heart save you. Even Jesus stands and
waits for it to be opened. People are vulnerable to such things, because
the Christians are so busy pointing to what is wrong, that they don't have
time or energy left to make their lives a witness to He who is right!
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Post by Griz
I have been exceedingly careful not said one word either for or against the
allegations that are made against Benny Hinn.
That's the problem. Jesus called you "neither hot nor cold."
Only in your context you choose John. Please don't do that or I will call
you on it strongly. Being passionate for Christ doesn't mean running around
proving our holiness by clubbing evil-doers. That's more "Captain America"
than it is Christ. Being passionate for Christ means having His light
shine. Warnings are not disallowed.
But these campaigns of villanizing people in their absence are not in the
model of Christ. The warning as been delivered.
Persist, and you risk drawing even more potential followers into Benny's
flock. Is that your desire?
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Post by Griz
I am at peace with the
promise that he will stand before God and answer for what he has done --
just as each of us will.
Are you at peace then, with the MILLIONS he has led into the pit?
Has anything happened against God's will John? Why are you so angry?
My heart breaks for those who have been misled -- but they were misled
because there was nobody to SHOW them by the witness of their lives, what
was right. I'm sure there was no shortage of people trying to TELL them
what was wrong however.
We need to be wary of this as it is a ploy of pride -- one hidden so deeply
that many are never aware of it.
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Post by Griz
I have simply asked people to examine whether or not they themselves are
heading into folly with this thread, even as they accuse another (who is not
present) of folly.
You are beginning, frankly, to smack like you are on the other side.
Your indifference REALLY disturbs me.
Maybe what disturbs you is that I will not jump on this bandwagon -- and
that I have publically questioned the wisdom of jumping on this bandwagon.
Remember the lesson of the Passion of the Christ. So many were seeking to
have it go bust, that they drew people into the theatres that normally
wouldn't have viewed such a film -- just to see what all of the fuss was
about!
I am not indifferent to those who have been misled. If anything, I am
frustrated at all of the Christians who are too busy SAYING to what is
wrong, to SHOW what is right by letting Christ shine through them.
Post by j w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Griz
I would suggest that the only people who are misled into following
a person -- are those who are seeking a person to follow.
True seekers, seek Christ.
Then you reject Galatians 1.
You also reject our command to protect the innocent. You casually sit
back, pop another six pack, and do nothing actively to warn others.
Making YOU part of the PROBLEM, rather than part of the solution.
I reject nothing of God's word John. Why are you so angry?
Remember, our job is to guard the flock. Those who have stepped outside of
the flock have placed themselves beyond protection. Better to be a part of
bringing them back in by LIVING what is right -- rather than shouting
warnings over and over and over that would become unnecessary if they were
to step back into the flock and place themselves under God's protection.
Remember, God protects and preserves. We are simply His tools. We do
nothing, save to surrender to Him and let Him speak through us.
Post by j w <***@yahoo.com>
Your attitude is similar to driving by a lake and seeing someone in
their car, going under the water. Rather than parking your car, and
jumping in to save the person (something ANY responsible person would
do) you merely drive by and think, "if it's God's will, someone will
come along to save that person." I'm late for my lunch date already.
What if someone else doesn't come along?
An interesting analogy.
I would not hesitate to help.
But think for a moment of the example of the Israelites in the OT. They
frequently 'drove their car' into the lake and started sinking when they got
their eyes off of God. And He LET them -- up to the point where they cried
out to Him.
I pray your heart is not in the position where you would call God
unresponsible for letting them taste the results of their folly.

Our humanity kicks in though, and we begin thinking of ourselves as the
saviour of others. Even those who have willingly placed themselves outside
of salvation. We start thinking we are the ones to force the doors of their
hearts open; the ones who will shout commands and warnings at them (rather
than to disciple them so they can see the hazards for themselves); the ones
to shine a spotlight on what is evil in others -- rather than take the time
to shine it on ourselves occasionally!

Something like these anti-Benny (or fill in the name of any other person)
become a showcase of that prideful humanity. We all rally around what is
evil and begin manifesting the same evil ourselves -- rather than rallying
around what is good and pure, and manifesting the same ourselves.
Post by j w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Griz
Our job is to point to Him. Not at those who may or may not be blowing it.
Not true. Jesus didn't merely preach the gospel; He confronted those
who
1. preached a false gospel of works
2. those who heckled Him.
He didn't ignore either.
But neither did He make campaigns of it, or start bandwagons rolling. And
even when he spoke against the Pharisees, he wasn't singling out a single
person for special scorn as you sometimes do John. We cannot just follow
part of Christ. It's all or nothing. That comes back to the "hot or cold"
that you spoke of earlier.
Post by j w <***@yahoo.com>
I'll pray for your indifference. You suddenly sound VERY Calvinist,
and frankly, I have LITTLE use for Calvinists.
The harsh realities presented by Calvin are a part of the picture, but I do
not follow Calvin. Or Armin. I follow Christ.
But I think it is probably good if we cease this exchange. It is leading to
a lot more anger and judgment that should be seen in a Christian group.

I look forward to exchanges with you on other topics.

Yours in Christ,

Griz
r***@romath.net
2004-10-09 15:47:03 UTC
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Post by Griz
Already this thread had grown to unbelievable proportions. Could we ever
muster a thread of this magnitude on a topic that seeks to bring honour and
glory to God?! Sadly, such threads only seem to happen when someone decides
to speak against (usually not against evil, but against a person)
But Griz, are YOU not guilty of speaking against others by the manner
in which you claim we are 'gossipping' about a known fraud?

Because YOU refuse to recognize him for what he resally is, that does
not make the rest of us gossipers.

And personally, I DO seek to bring glory & honor to God in purposely
going after and exposing frauds and liars who preach the Lord in the
public eye, all for the glory of the money they will rake in.


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j w <john_w@yahoo.com>
2004-10-09 17:38:03 UTC
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On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:47:03 -0400, ***@romath.net wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Post by r***@romath.net
went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet
Post by Griz
Already this thread had grown to unbelievable proportions. Could we ever
muster a thread of this magnitude on a topic that seeks to bring honour and
glory to God?! Sadly, such threads only seem to happen when someone decides
to speak against (usually not against evil, but against a person)
But Griz, are YOU not guilty of speaking against others by the manner
in which you claim we are 'gossipping' about a known fraud?
Because YOU refuse to recognize him for what he resally is, that does
not make the rest of us gossipers.
And personally, I DO seek to bring glory & honor to God in purposely
going after and exposing frauds and liars who preach the Lord in the
public eye, all for the glory of the money they will rake in.
On this we agree; particularly in the case of the pretender cults, who
are demonic to the core, for anyone who bothers to investigate.


jw
Post by r***@romath.net
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God bless!

j w
r***@romath.net
2004-10-09 15:52:12 UTC
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went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet
Post by Griz
Has anything happened against God's will John? Why are you so angry?
My heart breaks for those who have been misled -- but they were misled
because there was nobody to SHOW them by the witness of their lives, what
was right. I'm sure there was no shortage of people trying to TELL them
what was wrong however.
But, you claim no one shoud say anything in efforts to expose the very
fraud YOU ARE CLAIMING TO PROTECT!

Yes, those people ARE being misled.
Why?
Because people who refuse to SAY ANYTHING TO THEM in efforts of
opening their lies.

WR ARE making the effort to expose the frauds and phonies, but here
YOU are, trying to tell us we are not honoring God in doing so.

You accuse us of 'gossipping'.
How else would you suggest, then, bringing it to the attention of
those who are OBVIOUSLY placing their trust in the fakes than in our
Lord Jesus Christ?
You tell me, please.

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j w <john_w@yahoo.com>
2004-10-09 17:36:41 UTC
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:33:34 -0400, "Griz" <***@cois.no-no.on.ca>
wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Post by Griz
Hi John.
Post by j w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Griz
Hi John.
Could you clarify what it is I've said that you are against?
yes, happily. You have seemed to me to suggest that calling Benny and
his crowd false teachers/prophets and demonic is "going overboard" and
that "IF he is not for real" his followers will figure it out.
Those following any person rather than God may never figure it out.
More than likely true. That doesn't absolve our responsibility,
however.

And
Post by Griz
they won't figure it out by people raging against their chosen 'leader'
either.
I am not aiming at BEnny's followers. I am aiming at those who are on
the fence and "wondering." MANY have come in here and asked, "what
about this Benny Hinn guy?"

If anything, it will only strengthen their resolve -- much like you
Post by Griz
felt you needed to stand up when people were speaking ill of Billy Graham.
The issue with Billy Graham is that non-Christians attack him, not
Christians. And why do non-Christians attack him? To discredit the
most active, most famous, most godly gospel preacher in history. Put a
dent in Billy Graham, and you've put a dent in the Kingdom, which is
the whole point for some.
Post by Griz
The same process will happen in them that happened in you, strengthening
their resolve.
Again, I don't aim my warnings at his followers. For them, it' s too
late, barring someone in their life with the savvy to deliver them of
their demons of deception.
Post by Griz
It is only when we are following Christ that we begin to figure such things
out as His Spirit shows us. Our best chance is to make sure our hearts
reflect what is right -- rather than spending too much time pointing at what
is wrong.
Why can't we do both? What you are saying is that since warning
people about Benny is not what you feel is YOUR ministry--for whatever
reason-- no one ELSE should do it either.

Should the eye tell the hand, "I'm better than you? Should the hand
tell the knee, "I'm better than you?"

We each have a place in the Kingdom and a ministry. No matter how hard
I try, I cannot become Billy Graham or Josh McDowell, or Hal Lindsay,
or Dr. Charles Stanley. I am John Weatherly, and ALL I can be is the
best John Weatherly I can be.

Don't discourage me from my ministry. Seek your own.
Post by Griz
Already this thread had grown to unbelievable proportions. Could we ever
muster a thread of this magnitude on a topic that seeks to bring honour and
glory to God?!
I'm sorry you are so myopic.


Sadly, such threads only seem to happen when someone decides
Post by Griz
to speak against (usually not against evil, but against a person)
I am grateful that some are concerned; as you apparently are dying of
apathy.


jw


snipped mos.

jw
God bless!

j w
Bob
2004-10-09 22:14:10 UTC
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Post by Griz
Post by j w <***@yahoo.com>
I must interject here, Griz. While I agree with you most of the time,
I am totally against you here. If you have studied as long as I have
(over 50 years), and then you watch Benny (I have dozens of times-I
can't tolerate him any more than that), Benny is a false teacher/false
prophet.
Hi John.
Could you clarify what it is I've said that you are against?
I have been exceedingly careful not said one word either for or against the
allegations that are made against Benny Hinn.
I assumed that you would have better sense than to try to refuse to take
a solid stance on this issue when some idiot poster said you would do
exactly what you're doing on this subject. I have a very large emotional and
theological stake in this whole BH thing, and I must say I am disappointed
in your replies, and I owe the other guy an apology for saying he must be
nuts to think you would do what you are doing.
Bob<><


I am at peace with the
Post by Griz
promise that he will stand before God and answer for what he has done --
just as each of us will.
I have simply asked people to examine whether or not they themselves are
heading into folly with this thread, even as they accuse another (who is not
present) of folly.
If Benny is as evil as people keep insisting, then his fruits contrary to
the Spirit will be large and pungent enough for even a neophyte seeker to
discern. I would suggest that the only people who are misled into following
a person -- are those who are seeking a person to follow.
True seekers, seek Christ.
Our job is to point to Him. Not at those who may or may not be blowing it.
Yours in Him,
Griz
bob young
2004-10-08 04:11:18 UTC
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Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was watching "This is your Day" with Benny Hinn a few days ago. He
was in a foreign country (Africa, I think...based on the large amount
of people that looked African) with a large crowd in front of his
stage.
There were thousands upon thousands of people that attended this
event. Mr. Hinn had an interpreter with him on stage to interpret
what Benny was saying from English to the language of the people that
were present (I didn't recognize the language) As I was watching this
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Benny only speaks in tongues when he asks his bank manager how much there is in
his account!
Post by Sensei Shaolin
Please consider the following comparison between tongues in the first
First century - Spoke a known language (Acts 2:8)
Today - Today don't even claim to use known languages.
First century - Were understood. (Acts 2:6; 1 Cor 14:19)
Today - Don't claim to understand today.
First century - Were edified. (1 Cor. 14:26)
Today - No such claim today.
First century - Confirmed the word.
(Acts 10:46; Hebrew 2:3-4)
Today - Today, they don't even accept confirmed
word today. Add to and deny it.
First century - Spoke by turn (1 Cor. 14:27)
Today - All speak together today in mass confusion
First century - No interpreter? - Silence
(1 Cor 14:28)
Today - Don't want to be interpreted today
First century - Sign to unbelievers (1 Cor. 14-22)
Today - Used today for excitement
First century - For used of edifying (1 Cor 14:26)
Today - Show, entertain, and confuse
First century - Spirit subject to speaker.
(1 Cor. 14:26-31)
Today - Today, "Don't stop me, I'm getting a revelation!"
First century - Spoke to profit the church (1 Cor 14:6)
Today - No profit today.
First century - Prayed for interpretation
(1 Cor. 14:13)
Today - pray for tongue speaking
First century - Spoke to instruct (1 Cor. 14:13)
Today - Revel in confusion, no instruction.
First century - Believed Gospel. (Mark 16:16)
Today - Deny gospel because getting a new revelation!
First century - Spoke to benefit hearers. (1 Cor. 14:9)
Today - Not so today. Benefit in glory of speaker.
First century - Interpret so unlearned understand.
(1 Cor. 14:16)
Today - Interpretation not done today.
First century - No accusation of madness
(1 Cor. 14:23)
Today - Today, confusion is rampant.
First century - No confusion allowed (1 Cor. 14:33)
Today - All in confusion.
First century - Women kept silence (1 Cor. 14:34)
Today - All speak today. In regulating usage of gifts,
women had not abilities.
First century - Holy Spirit baptism audible. No mistake
in knowing HS campe upon them. (Acts 2:2)
Today - None will say so today.
First century - Holy Spirit baptism visible. Not mistaken
in seeing. (Acts 2:3)
Today - None will say so today.
First century - Holy Spirit baptism heard. No mistake
in hearing. (Acts 2:4)
Today - Not so today.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conclusion: Tongues were most definitely known languages that other
people could understand. The blasphemy that Benny Hinn and the
other Word of Faith heretics speak is uninterpreted and deceitful.
They are after your money and no country is too poor to donate to
their lavish lifestyles. Do not be deceived. The leaders of the Word
of Faith movement are so rich they would make most actors and
actresses in Hollywood envious.
r***@romath.net
2004-10-08 04:59:15 UTC
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On 7 Oct 2004 12:07:30 -0700, ***@hotmail.com (Sensei
Shaolin) done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old
Post by Sensei Shaolin
As I was watching this
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Benny Hinn is as phony as a three dollar bill, and he also uses paid
'afflicteds' for his show. It is nothing but a grand performance.

The cretin also claimed that Jesus would 'appear right onstage with
him' ... but He never did....... which also makes Hinn a false
prophet, and we already know their fate.

Why people continue to keep that creep on the boob-tube is ludicrous.
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JESUS IS THE ROCK
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bob young
2004-10-08 12:08:53 UTC
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Post by r***@romath.net
Shaolin) done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old
Post by Sensei Shaolin
As I was watching this
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Benny Hinn is as phony as a three dollar bill, and he also uses paid
'afflicteds' for his show. It is nothing but a grand performance.
The cretin also claimed that Jesus would 'appear right onstage with
him' ... but He never did....... which also makes Hinn a false
prophet, and we already know their fate.
Why people continue to keep that creep on the boob-tube is ludicrous.
I totally agree yet at the same time I tremble for humanity knowing that
out there are a huge number of people who follow the creeds of con artists
like Hinn.
Post by r***@romath.net
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r***@romath.net
2004-10-08 19:53:24 UTC
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On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:08:53 +0800, bob young
Post by bob young
Post by r***@romath.net
Shaolin) done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old
Post by Sensei Shaolin
As I was watching this
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Benny Hinn is as phony as a three dollar bill, and he also uses paid
'afflicteds' for his show. It is nothing but a grand performance.
The cretin also claimed that Jesus would 'appear right onstage with
him' ... but He never did....... which also makes Hinn a false
prophet, and we already know their fate.
Why people continue to keep that creep on the boob-tube is ludicrous.
I totally agree yet at the same time I tremble for humanity knowing that
out there are a huge number of people who follow the creeds of con artists
like Hinn.
The problem is exactly that, Bob.

As Christians, WE have to TRY as best we can to open their eyes. But,
they have ot WANT TO SEE.


If thety choos to accept lies and false teachings, then they have
unfortunately sealed their own fate.

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JESUS IS THE ROCK
God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called
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sane
2004-10-08 17:12:40 UTC
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I answered that question 10 years ago when I was interested, "...the spirit
giveth utterance..." and there are tongues where know man knoweth but the
Lord. Sorry that I don't memorize scripture verses.

You can go to Bible.com and do a word search for "Holy Spirtit, Utterance,
and tongues".
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was watching "This is your Day" with Benny Hinn a few days ago. He
was in a foreign country (Africa, I think...based on the large amount
of people that looked African) with a large crowd in front of his
stage.
There were thousands upon thousands of people that attended this
event. Mr. Hinn had an interpreter with him on stage to interpret
what Benny was saying from English to the language of the people that
were present (I didn't recognize the language) As I was watching this
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Please consider the following comparison between tongues in the first
First century - Spoke a known language (Acts 2:8)
Today - Today don't even claim to use known languages.
First century - Were understood. (Acts 2:6; 1 Cor 14:19)
Today - Don't claim to understand today.
First century - Were edified. (1 Cor. 14:26)
Today - No such claim today.
First century - Confirmed the word.
(Acts 10:46; Hebrew 2:3-4)
Today - Today, they don't even accept confirmed
word today. Add to and deny it.
First century - Spoke by turn (1 Cor. 14:27)
Today - All speak together today in mass confusion
First century - No interpreter? - Silence
(1 Cor 14:28)
Today - Don't want to be interpreted today
First century - Sign to unbelievers (1 Cor. 14-22)
Today - Used today for excitement
First century - For used of edifying (1 Cor 14:26)
Today - Show, entertain, and confuse
First century - Spirit subject to speaker.
(1 Cor. 14:26-31)
Today - Today, "Don't stop me, I'm getting a revelation!"
First century - Spoke to profit the church (1 Cor 14:6)
Today - No profit today.
First century - Prayed for interpretation
(1 Cor. 14:13)
Today - pray for tongue speaking
First century - Spoke to instruct (1 Cor. 14:13)
Today - Revel in confusion, no instruction.
First century - Believed Gospel. (Mark 16:16)
Today - Deny gospel because getting a new revelation!
First century - Spoke to benefit hearers. (1 Cor. 14:9)
Today - Not so today. Benefit in glory of speaker.
First century - Interpret so unlearned understand.
(1 Cor. 14:16)
Today - Interpretation not done today.
First century - No accusation of madness
(1 Cor. 14:23)
Today - Today, confusion is rampant.
First century - No confusion allowed (1 Cor. 14:33)
Today - All in confusion.
First century - Women kept silence (1 Cor. 14:34)
Today - All speak today. In regulating usage of gifts,
women had not abilities.
First century - Holy Spirit baptism audible. No mistake
in knowing HS campe upon them. (Acts 2:2)
Today - None will say so today.
First century - Holy Spirit baptism visible. Not mistaken
in seeing. (Acts 2:3)
Today - None will say so today.
First century - Holy Spirit baptism heard. No mistake
in hearing. (Acts 2:4)
Today - Not so today.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conclusion: Tongues were most definitely known languages that other
people could understand. The blasphemy that Benny Hinn and the
other Word of Faith heretics speak is uninterpreted and deceitful.
They are after your money and no country is too poor to donate to
their lavish lifestyles. Do not be deceived. The leaders of the Word
of Faith movement are so rich they would make most actors and
actresses in Hollywood envious.
j w <john_w@yahoo.com>
2004-10-08 18:43:40 UTC
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On 7 Oct 2004 12:07:30 -0700, ***@hotmail.com (Sensei
Shaolin) wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Post by Sensei Shaolin
I was watching "This is your Day" with Benny Hinn a few days ago. He
was in a foreign country (Africa, I think...based on the large amount
of people that looked African) with a large crowd in front of his
stage.
There were thousands upon thousands of people that attended this
event. Mr. Hinn had an interpreter with him on stage to interpret
what Benny was saying from English to the language of the people that
were present (I didn't recognize the language) As I was watching this
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?"
I have been pointing out that fallacy for years. This proves the
scriptural warning about the false "Christians" in the last days who
do NOT seek the truth, but who instead "chase miracles" as Oral
taught: "Expect a MIRACLE!!!"

They also reject sound doctrine (just try to correct a pentecostal),
and instead follow "doctrine that tickles their ears", IOW, teaching
that PLEASES rather than edifies)


One of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen was a Benny Hinn
"crusade" where he was informed that outside the PACKED auditorium was
a HUGE "narthex" in which there were an additional several THOUSAND
"fans" standing like sardines packed in a can--literally-- waiting to
hear God speak through Benny. Benny and his entourage went out,
cameras following (of course) to address the "faithful who couldn't
get into the auditorium." He preached a SHORT message to them, asked
who wanted to "get saved" and "receive their Holy Ghost baptism and
their miracle". Of course, every hand was raised in the sardine can.
Benny prayed briefly as all raised their hands, and then he declared
"receive the Holy Ghost! Amen!"

I noticed that not one single person fell down "slain in the spirit".
On a hard, waxed linoleum floor, that would have resulted in thousands
of lawsuits, due to not enough "catchers" being available.

How come 500 to 1000 or more people "fall in the spirit" IN the
auditorium, where someone is there to fall ON. But in the narthex,
where half of them would fall on the HARD FLOOR, the Holy Spirit
doesn't "slay them".

How convenient.

The first Commandment is to love God with heart, soul, and MIND. You
do NOT turn off your MIND as Benny Hinn teaches when you walk into a
Benny Hinn show.


jw

Benny could not use the "I
Post by Sensei Shaolin
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues? Surely the Holy Spirit would give him the words to
say, considering those at Pentecost spoke known languages.
Please consider the following comparison between tongues in the first
First century - Spoke a known language (Acts 2:8)
Today - Today don't even claim to use known languages.
First century - Were understood. (Acts 2:6; 1 Cor 14:19)
Today - Don't claim to understand today.
First century - Were edified. (1 Cor. 14:26)
Today - No such claim today.
First century - Confirmed the word.
(Acts 10:46; Hebrew 2:3-4)
Today - Today, they don't even accept confirmed
word today. Add to and deny it.
First century - Spoke by turn (1 Cor. 14:27)
Today - All speak together today in mass confusion
First century - No interpreter? - Silence
(1 Cor 14:28)
Today - Don't want to be interpreted today
First century - Sign to unbelievers (1 Cor. 14-22)
Today - Used today for excitement
First century - For used of edifying (1 Cor 14:26)
Today - Show, entertain, and confuse
First century - Spirit subject to speaker.
(1 Cor. 14:26-31)
Today - Today, "Don't stop me, I'm getting a revelation!"
First century - Spoke to profit the church (1 Cor 14:6)
Today - No profit today.
First century - Prayed for interpretation
(1 Cor. 14:13)
Today - pray for tongue speaking
First century - Spoke to instruct (1 Cor. 14:13)
Today - Revel in confusion, no instruction.
First century - Believed Gospel. (Mark 16:16)
Today - Deny gospel because getting a new revelation!
First century - Spoke to benefit hearers. (1 Cor. 14:9)
Today - Not so today. Benefit in glory of speaker.
First century - Interpret so unlearned understand.
(1 Cor. 14:16)
Today - Interpretation not done today.
First century - No accusation of madness
(1 Cor. 14:23)
Today - Today, confusion is rampant.
First century - No confusion allowed (1 Cor. 14:33)
Today - All in confusion.
First century - Women kept silence (1 Cor. 14:34)
Today - All speak today. In regulating usage of gifts,
women had not abilities.
First century - Holy Spirit baptism audible. No mistake
in knowing HS campe upon them. (Acts 2:2)
Today - None will say so today.
First century - Holy Spirit baptism visible. Not mistaken
in seeing. (Acts 2:3)
Today - None will say so today.
First century - Holy Spirit baptism heard. No mistake
in hearing. (Acts 2:4)
Today - Not so today.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conclusion: Tongues were most definitely known languages that other
people could understand. The blasphemy that Benny Hinn and the
other Word of Faith heretics speak is uninterpreted and deceitful.
They are after your money and no country is too poor to donate to
their lavish lifestyles. Do not be deceived. The leaders of the Word
of Faith movement are so rich they would make most actors and
actresses in Hollywood envious.
God bless!

j w
Stormin Mormon
2004-10-10 01:12:52 UTC
Permalink
The LDS church does use the gift of tongues. Takes about 6 weeks for young
teenage missionaries to learn another language. Japanese is quite harder,
takes 8 weeks.

Great question.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"Sensei Shaolin" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@posting.google.com...
I was watching "This is your Day" with Benny Hinn a few days ago. He
was in a foreign country (Africa, I think...based on the large amount
of people that looked African) with a large crowd in front of his
stage.

There were thousands upon thousands of people that attended this
event. Mr. Hinn had an interpreter with him on stage to interpret
what Benny was saying from English to the language of the people that
were present (I didn't recognize the language) As I was watching this
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues?
Bob
2004-10-10 01:59:59 UTC
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Post by Stormin Mormon
The LDS church does use the gift of tongues. Takes about 6 weeks for young
teenage missionaries to learn another language. Japanese is quite harder,
takes 8 weeks.
Why is a Mormon heretic like you posting on Christian ngs? You people
are all going to hell if you don't abandon Mormonism, so why are you posting
this to Christians instead of your own poor deluded followers. I got out of
Mormonism and became a Christian; you should try it sometime.
Post by Stormin Mormon
Great question.
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I was watching "This is your Day" with Benny Hinn a few days ago. He
was in a foreign country (Africa, I think...based on the large amount
of people that looked African) with a large crowd in front of his
stage.
There were thousands upon thousands of people that attended this
event. Mr. Hinn had an interpreter with him on stage to interpret
what Benny was saying from English to the language of the people that
were present (I didn't recognize the language) As I was watching this
I was wondering to myself, "Why would Benny need an interpreter with
him on stage since he is (allegedly) Baptized in the Holy Ghost with
the evidence of speaking in tongues?" Benny could not use the "I
don't have the anointing right now" excuse this time because he was
saying "I feel the anointing..." when he was on stage. Why not
dispense with the interpreter and speak directly to the crowd with his
gift of tongues?
Stormin Mormon
2004-10-10 01:20:56 UTC
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"Sensei Shaolin" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@posting.google.com...

First century - Spoke a known language (Acts 2:8)
Today - Today don't even claim to use known languages.
LDS: Book of Mormon in over 120 languages. Missionaries in most countries
speaking the language of the country.


First century - Were understood. (Acts 2:6; 1 Cor 14:19)
Today - Don't claim to understand today.
LDS: Understood by the native folks.


First century - Were edified. (1 Cor. 14:26)
Today - No such claim today.
LDS: Teaching the gospel of Christ.

First century - Confirmed the word.
(Acts 10:46; Hebrew 2:3-4)
Today - Today, they don't even accept confirmed
word today. Add to and deny it.
LDS: Teaching of Christ in many languages, adn by the Spirit.


First century - Spoke by turn (1 Cor. 14:27)
Today - All speak together today in mass confusion
LDS: Teaching taking turns.


First century - No interpreter? - Silence
(1 Cor 14:28)
Today - Don't want to be interpreted today
LDS: Missionaries in many languages.


First century - Sign to unbelievers (1 Cor. 14-22)
Today - Used today for excitement
LDS: Teaching the gospel.


First century - For used of edifying (1 Cor 14:26)
Today - Show, entertain, and confuse
LDS: Edifying.


First century - Spirit subject to speaker.
(1 Cor. 14:26-31)
Today - Today, "Don't stop me, I'm getting a revelation!"
LDS: Not sure what you mean.


First century - Spoke to profit the church (1 Cor 14:6)
Today - No profit today.
LDS: Speaking in varous languages to profit the church. Also the LDS church
has a PROPHET, who speaks on behalf of God.


First century - Prayed for interpretation
(1 Cor. 14:13)
Today - pray for tongue speaking
LDS: Missionaries pray for wisdom and learning.



First century - Spoke to instruct (1 Cor. 14:13)
Today - Revel in confusion, no instruction.
LDS: all things in order.



First century - Believed Gospel. (Mark 16:16)
Today - Deny gospel because getting a new revelation!
LDS: Teaching the restored gospel.


First century - Spoke to benefit hearers. (1 Cor. 14:9)
Today - Not so today. Benefit in glory of speaker.
LDS: Missionaries teach at their own expense. Speaking to benefit hearers.


First century - Interpret so unlearned understand.
(1 Cor. 14:16)
Today - Interpretation not done today.
LDS: We sure do!



First century - No accusation of madness
(1 Cor. 14:23)
Today - Today, confusion is rampant.
LDS: All things in order.


First century - No confusion allowed (1 Cor. 14:33)
Today - All in confusion.
LDS: Not us!


First century - Women kept silence (1 Cor. 14:34)
Today - All speak today. In regulating usage of gifts,
women had not abilities.
LDS: Women serve as missionaries.



First century - Holy Spirit baptism audible. No mistake
in knowing HS campe upon them. (Acts 2:2)
Today - None will say so today.
LDS: Holy Ghost given as a priesthood ordainance.


First century - Holy Spirit baptism visible. Not mistaken
in seeing. (Acts 2:3)
Today - None will say so today.

First century - Holy Spirit baptism heard. No mistake
in hearing. (Acts 2:4)
Today - Not so today.

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Conclusion: Tongues were most definitely known languages that other
people could understand. The blasphemy that Benny Hinn and the
other Word of Faith heretics speak is uninterpreted and deceitful.
They are after your money and no country is too poor to donate to
their lavish lifestyles. Do not be deceived. The leaders of the Word
of Faith movement are so rich they would make most actors and
actresses in Hollywood envious.
Bob
2004-10-10 02:16:42 UTC
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Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Spoke a known language (Acts 2:8)
Today - Today don't even claim to use known languages.
LDS: Book of Mormon in over 120 languages. Missionaries in most countries
speaking the language of the country.
Teaching heresy and blasphemy in 120 languages.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Were understood. (Acts 2:6; 1 Cor 14:19)
Today - Don't claim to understand today.
LDS: Understood by the native folks.
The natives can underdstand their blasphemous teachings in the ir own
languages.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Were edified. (1 Cor. 14:26)
Today - No such claim today.
LDS: Teaching the gospel of Christ.
HAHAHAHAHAHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The LDS don't teach anything even remotely similar to Christianity; take
it from one who knows, I've been there and done that. It is a heresy
factory.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Confirmed the word.
(Acts 10:46; Hebrew 2:3-4)
Today - Today, they don't even accept confirmed
word today. Add to and deny it.
LDS: Teaching of Christ in many languages, adn by the Spirit.
Teaching Joe Smith's lies 160 years after they were proven wrong by the
Christians of the early 19th century. It's a shame only Joe Smith and a
couple others got shot, they should have shot the whole damn state of Utah.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Spoke by turn (1 Cor. 14:27)
Today - All speak together today in mass confusion
LDS: Teaching taking turns.
They =politely= teach blasphemy, giving everyone and equal chance to get
in on their heresies.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - No interpreter? - Silence
(1 Cor 14:28)
Today - Don't want to be interpreted today
LDS: Missionaries in many languages.
Liars in many languages.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Sign to unbelievers (1 Cor. 14-22)
Today - Used today for excitement
LDS: Teaching the gospel.
Teaching blasphemy and heresy for 170 years now.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - For used of edifying (1 Cor 14:26)
Today - Show, entertain, and confuse
LDS: Edifying.
Puffing up people with lies and false promises of godhood in the next
life.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Spirit subject to speaker.
(1 Cor. 14:26-31)
Today - Today, "Don't stop me, I'm getting a revelation!"
LDS: Not sure what you mean.
Not surprizing, as the LDS is basically ignorant of all Christian
concepts.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Spoke to profit the church (1 Cor 14:6)
Today - No profit today.
LDS: Speaking in varous languages to profit the church. Also the LDS church
has a PROPHET, who speaks on behalf of God.
It PROFITS the church all right. Mormonism is all about money and power,
lots of both, in the hands of a few evil men.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Prayed for interpretation
(1 Cor. 14:13)
Today - pray for tongue speaking
LDS: Missionaries pray for wisdom and learning.
Missionaries are praying to the wrong god, satan, and he is telling them
what they want to hear. If they ever heard from the LORD, the God of
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, they'd get the heck out of Mormonism pronto!
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Spoke to instruct (1 Cor. 14:13)
Today - Revel in confusion, no instruction.
LDS: all things in order.
Orderly teaching of satan's words.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Believed Gospel. (Mark 16:16)
Today - Deny gospel because getting a new revelation!
LDS: Teaching the restored gospel.
Teaching another, false gospel, from the "angel" Moron,I:
Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a
gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
You people are under a curse!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Several thousand curses
actually.........
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Spoke to benefit hearers. (1 Cor. 14:9)
Today - Not so today. Benefit in glory of speaker.
LDS: Missionaries teach at their own expense. Speaking to benefit hearers.
They have to pay to spread lies. They lie to their hearers because they
are deceived into thinking their lies are true.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Interpret so unlearned understand.
(1 Cor. 14:16)
Today - Interpretation not done today.
LDS: We sure do!
You interpret it, but you get it wrong every time:
"Some revelations are of God, some revelations are of man, and some
revelations are of the devil..." Joe Smith, Jr.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - No accusation of madness
(1 Cor. 14:23)
Today - Today, confusion is rampant.
LDS: All things in order.
An insane asylum is very orderly, as is a morgue......
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - No confusion allowed (1 Cor. 14:33)
Today - All in confusion.
LDS: Not us!
No, you boldly, confidently, and ignorantly march off into hell by the
thousands daily.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Women kept silence (1 Cor. 14:34)
Today - All speak today. In regulating usage of gifts,
women had not abilities.
LDS: Women serve as missionaries.
They've even recruited women to lie too.
Post by Sensei Shaolin
First century - Holy Spirit baptism audible. No mistake
in knowing HS campe upon them. (Acts 2:2)
Today - None will say so today.
LDS: Holy Ghost given as a priesthood ordainance.
The Holy Spirit of God has nothing to do with the LDS "church". Their
father is satan, through their doctrine of the fortunate fall. The LDS teach
that it was a good thing Adam and Eve fell in the Garden of Eden; they also
teach Adam was GOD!!!
They also deny the Virgin Birth of Christ, teaching that Adam/God came
down from heaven and had physical intercourse with Mary to produce Jesus
Christ.
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